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eutek

Member Since: 03 Mar 2009
Location: High Wycombe
Posts: 586

2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey

Clunky gearbox on 2009 Puma?

Hi all,

Here I am, a new Defender owner with my first "proper" technical question... first of many to be sure!

Anyway... I find that no matter how careful I am while shifting, I still get a "clunk" in almost every gear while setting off. It is especially noticeable in 1st to 2nd, 2nd to 3rd and tapers off from 3rd to 4th.

I've tried variations of letting off the clutch and giving it more accelerator, more aggressive shifting, gentler shifting... the only way I've been able to get by is to to be super delicate with the clutch and accelerator, practically a ballet move, in order to get smoothly out of 1st. Not being a mechanic, I can only opine that it sounds like there is some kind of play or backlash.

To add to the above... going from 2nd to 3rd is almost always sloppy, in the sense that the meshing of the gears isn't so smooth.

So... do those of you with more experience driving and fixing TDCi have an opinion if it is something to be checked out, or could it be just a matter of refining my gearbox technique?

3rd Dec 2009 8:18am

AndrewS

Member Since: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Hereford
Posts: 3707

2013 Defender 130 Puma 2.2 SW Rimini Red

Get a couple of 9/16th spanners and check the propshaft nuts/bolts. The nuts at the front of the rear prop are the worst culprits.

3rd Dec 2009 8:27am

eutek

Member Since: 03 Mar 2009
Location: High Wycombe
Posts: 586

Thanks for the advice!

3rd Dec 2009 8:58am

alantd

Member Since: 14 Dec 2008
Location: Northamptonshire
Posts: 1513

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Tonga Green

Yup - propshaft bolts are most likely. I have to tighten mine periodically. One that started out as a 2.4 TDCi 110 XS
+ New Defender 110 First Edition

3rd Dec 2009 9:04am

jamesbond007

Member Since: 28 Oct 2009
Location: Central Algarve - Portugal
Posts: 172

2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS DCPU Rimini Red

Could you please post a picture to show what you are talking about?
Thanks! Boldly going nowhere

Discovery 3 after a Defender 110 Crew Cab TD4 and a 1964 SIIA 88 Regular.

3rd Dec 2009 5:31pm

Willie

Member Since: 08 Oct 2009
Location: Stockton
Posts: 48

2007 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 CSW Rimini Red

Hi Eutec,

I have exactly the same problems with gearbox/clutch "clunk" and "notchy" gear change on my 57reg Puma CSW. Its been in and out of the dealer a few times and they say they can find nothing wrong. I can minimise the "clunk" if I slightly rev the engine prior catching the clutch, but as you say it's a bit of a delicate operation.

As I have approximately 1 year of the warranty to go I have decided to give it another 6 months before taking it back for another check up.

Regards,

Willie

PS there are a numerous other posts on this subject on the forum so I take it it is not an uncommon problem. Defender Virgin

5th Dec 2009 5:33pm

jamesbond007

Member Since: 28 Oct 2009
Location: Central Algarve - Portugal
Posts: 172

It gets pretty annoying this klong for sure.
It was worse with the BAS remap, so I went back to the original map. Boldly going nowhere

Discovery 3 after a Defender 110 Crew Cab TD4 and a 1964 SIIA 88 Regular.

5th Dec 2009 6:14pm

eutek

Member Since: 03 Mar 2009
Location: High Wycombe
Posts: 586

Not possessing the appropriate sized spanners (we recently moved and as such have next to no tools!), I've tried shifting earlier and use the torque to pull me along. This actually makes it worse, and I clunk in every gear.

I usually do what Willie describes, and slightly rev before engaging the clutch - this seems to work well. Any hesitation when re-applying the pedal after a shift however usually results in a disconcerting "clunk".

7th Dec 2009 10:35am

jamesbond007

Member Since: 28 Oct 2009
Location: Central Algarve - Portugal
Posts: 172

eutek wrote:
Any hesitation when re-applying the pedal after a shift however usually results in a disconcerting "clunk".

yep

Boldly going nowhere

Discovery 3 after a Defender 110 Crew Cab TD4 and a 1964 SIIA 88 Regular.

7th Dec 2009 10:39am

Niel

Member Since: 14 Sep 2009
Location: Sandton
Posts: 27

2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Alpine White

I am getting my 110 back today after it spent a week with the dealers.
This clucky-ness was one of my main complaints. They have replaced the gearbox and clutch. Will let you know if it is any better. Puma 110 sw White
No extras yet.

9th Dec 2009 5:30am

Bosun

Member Since: 21 Jul 2008
Location: Great Berry
Posts: 141

2008 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Tonga Green

Why on earth can't LR admit they have an issue with transmission backlash and a dodgy Transit gearbox, rather than trying to pass it off as "characteristisc of the marque". A load of "bo****ks" if you ask me. Just trying to save a few bob with poor product development and the consequential warranty issues (poorly addressed at that!). Shame, as there is a great Defender following out there (me included), but how long it will last with current product, I shudder to think!!! There was me thinking FMC would make it better.
Yours,
One nPi**ed of TDCi Defender owner.

11th Dec 2009 8:50pm

MK

Member Since: 28 Aug 2008
Location: Santiago
Posts: 2415

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Chawton White

Who really knows where the clunk is coming from. I don´t think it is the clutch. So ruling it out, the only candidates for serious clonks are the GB or the TC. You can figure out how to proceed, unless both come with factory clunk. Anyway in my case I didn`t have any noise until I got 5000 miles on the clock.

Do transits have clonks with the MT82? Puma 110" SW

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11th Dec 2009 11:34pm

peanutbob

Member Since: 12 Feb 2009
Location: UK
Posts: 291

i think this is a bit unfair on L/R! When i got my 110 in September, I became very aware that changing from 1st to 2nd, and 2nd to third gears there was a noticeable clunk. After 3000 miles this had become unoticeable entirely due to me changing gears properly - i.e. taking up the slight slack that is always built in. So, I don't believe there is an issue here, you just have to address your driving to the box and engine and then you will find it ok. It's a bit like commercial vehicles really, once you have driven a van or truck for a while you get a feel for it. After 5000 miles in 3 months in my 110 puma it just gets better! I would add that after 1000 miles, I was slightly concerned ref the clunk, but not any more! I have the gear change smooth now. If you've driven Land Rovers before from their inception, you always will bed in wiith them. How may dealers have changed transmissions for little reason, I wonder.

11th Dec 2009 11:37pm

MK

Member Since: 28 Aug 2008
Location: Santiago
Posts: 2415

If that is the price to drive a LR? Never got that on any other car. Not even on a LADA! So I also wonder. Puma 110" SW

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Earth first. Other planets later

12th Dec 2009 12:04am

fekete

Member Since: 24 Dec 2008
Location: Here on the other end of the computer
Posts: 3626

2007 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 HT Bonatti Grey

I had all the same clunks and gratings of 1 & 2 but new gear box and it's like a dream, The difference is not comparable, Its not the same vehicle

NEVER TAKE LIFE SERIOUSLY. NOBODY GETS OUT ALIVE ANYWAY

12th Dec 2009 12:45am

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