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Go Beyond

Member Since: 30 Jan 2012
Location: Headcorn, Kent
Posts: 6678

I have one winging it's way to me from Simon, so I'll let you know how I get on

5th Dec 2012 1:51pm

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17367

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey

SteveG wrote:
blackwolf wrote:

Was your vehicle fitted with the battery backed alarm sounder?

Unfortunately, this doesn't help as they often cut the wires to your horn first.

In addition to adding products like suggested above, it's also good to...
Move horn from behind headlight to a different location, preferably out of site from an open bonnet.
Move ODBII connector from on top of seat box to inside seat box.
Lock seat boxes with security bolts

Again it's not going to stop a determined theif, but it may deter, slow down etc

The BBS is wholly independent of the horns and cutting the wires to the horns will not disable the BBS. The alarm will usually sound the horns and the BBS together, and knobbling the horms may stop them from sounding but won't disable the BBS.

Cutting the power to the BBS, either by cutting the wires to it, disconnecting the battery, blowing fuses, and other tricks like that, will also just cause the BBS to sound.

I have not yet heard of any case of a Puma fitted with the BBS being driven away unless the keys have been taken. If anyone knows of this happening, please let me know.

Also if anyone knows a way to disable the BBS without setting it off, please PM me (so that I can takes steps to prevent it, of course). I only know one way of getting round the BBS (which is not at all easy and I have never heard of a villain doing it - at least not yet).

For what it is worth, I would recommend taking the following steps to enhance the basic security of a Defender:-

1) Fit a BBS if you don't have one.
2) If you already have one, relocate it somewhere inaccessible and unexpected (or fit a second one)
3) Disable/move or otherwise secure the diagnostic socket
4) Protect the 10AS unit itself (eg a metal cover fastened over it with security screws)
5) Protect/duplicate/reroute the vulnerable battery connections.

It is well-nigh impossible to make a Defender impregnable, but you can with a little effort make it harder to steal than the one down the road.

5th Dec 2012 2:01pm

d j hutton

Member Since: 30 Jul 2009
Location: Dorset
Posts: 1044

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Orkney Grey

Might be seen as a stupid question, but how does one know if a BBS is fitted.

Its a 2011 XS 110 utility, where do I look as it sounds like something that might be useful to have fitted if it isn't already there.

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5th Dec 2012 2:12pm

Go Beyond

Member Since: 30 Jan 2012
Location: Headcorn, Kent
Posts: 6678

Check in your hand book for the correct proceedure - but basically disconnect the battery and you'll soon know

5th Dec 2012 2:19pm

sparkylee

Member Since: 06 Nov 2010
Location: surrey
Posts: 1455

2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 DCPU Santorini Black

I'm sure I've read that if you disconnect the -lead from battery and the alarm sounds you've got the battery back up fitted It's good to be back from the dark side

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5th Dec 2012 2:19pm

Lishlandy

Member Since: 26 Oct 2011
Location: High Wycombe
Posts: 941

2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 X-Tech LE Orkney Grey

I start mine in gear and it has a little sound off to tell you its there haha, not intentionally started of course, towing prevention

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Steve
90 xs sw in Stonoway Grey - Sold
110 USW X-TECH

5th Dec 2012 2:33pm

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17367

There are several ways to establish if you have one, but it is also quite easy to be fooled into thinking you don't when in fact you do.

The easiest way is to disconnect the battery and see if it sounds, but you must wait long enough after stopping the engine for the system to be active first. If you do it straight away before the system is armed, it won't sound. If you look in the handbook it will tell you how to disconnect the battery without the BBS sounding, all you need to do is wait longer and it will sound.

It is also easy to retrofit a BBS if you don't have one.

5th Dec 2012 2:46pm

Tiger

Member Since: 06 Jul 2012
Location: Wales
Posts: 2265

If yours looks like a horn Round, brass and flatish then it's non battery

If it's Square and plastic then it's the BBU unit

This is the part number

LR014059

Does anybody know if it's just a straight swap?

5th Dec 2012 2:58pm

Glynparry25

Member Since: 16 Feb 2009
Location: Miserable Midlands
Posts: 3015

2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS DCPU Tonga Green

Sorry to hear the bad news of the OP......... I hope she is back in your company soon.

As for the rest of the thread..... great ideas, and it is always good to compare security devices. BUT remember not to disclose the way the original system can be bypassed (as above). Yes you have spotted it and took action and other honest forum members also now know but there are thousands of others that don't- and this is a public forum where any thieving c**t can come and find out information.

If not too sure, stick to pm. Just my 2p worth................... Which brings me on nicely to- Why do people give their 2p when it is only a penny for your thoughts????

Glyn

5th Dec 2012 3:20pm

mick

Member Since: 08 Feb 2010
Location: Yorkshire
Posts: 2109

2010 Defender 130 Puma 2.4 HCPU Rimini Red

have heard of loads going lately how come there never traced

5th Dec 2012 3:27pm

ken

Member Since: 18 Aug 2009
Location: Banging Birds with my bitches !!
Posts: 4328

German Tax Glyn

5th Dec 2012 3:27pm

Lorryman100

Member Since: 01 Oct 2010
Location: Here
Posts: 2686

Sorry to hear about this and hopefully you dialling 999 so quickly after the theft will help you in its recovery.

Unfortunately the Puma is easier to bypass than LR would like you to think. I can surmise from what you said they left as to how they got around to nicking it. These thief's were not amateurs and it is worrying to me now as to the amount of Pumas being stolen. The only thing I can do to stop this happening to me is to fit more physical protection in the guise of a hardcase and steering wheel disclock. Even these additional precautions can be overcome with time and if the scrots want your Puma then chances are they will get it eventually.

The BBS can be retrofitted and can be put in a very hard place to remove/get to easily, unfortunately it is also a barsteward to fit it there in the first place. As its an open forum I'm not saying where, but instead use your imagination as to where it could be placed, the more awkward the better

Brian.

5th Dec 2012 4:00pm

Lorryman100

Member Since: 01 Oct 2010
Location: Here
Posts: 2686

Go Beyond wrote:
I have one winging it's way to me from Simon, so I'll let you know how I get on

Me too

I hope I can get a work around on the Transducer coil though? On the fitting instructions it is cable tied onto the existing loom. This should be enough as the transducer coil detector I have shows it emits a sufficient range to allow fitting of this product though I will have to make sure it starts and runs OK for at least 5 mins (passive immobiliser) before tightening the shear bolt!!!!!!

Brian.

5th Dec 2012 4:25pm

Tiger

Member Since: 06 Jul 2012
Location: Wales
Posts: 2265

Go Beyond wrote:
I have one winging it's way to me from Simon, so I'll let you know how I get on

Me too now also, been meaning to get one for ages and this has just focused the mind.

He's having a bit of a run on them

5th Dec 2012 4:38pm

GREENI

Member Since: 22 Aug 2010
Location: staffs
Posts: 10381

Gutted for you

5th Dec 2012 6:14pm

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