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ZeDefender Member Since: 15 Sep 2011 Location: Munich Posts: 4731 |
Thanks for my certificate Tim Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing... |
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24th Nov 2012 10:08am |
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mobilecentre Member Since: 05 Mar 2012 Location: Evesham Posts: 645 |
No problem at all - glad to help |
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24th Nov 2012 10:08am |
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ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816 |
Just received copy by e-mail of that same certificate. Question is, it is certified by VCA, which is the UK vehicle approval authority.
Million dollar question.......... Does this approval only cover the UK, or is it automatically valid for all other EU countries like Germany, plus hopefully Switzerland too? You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation. http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I https://vimeo.com/201482507 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw |
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24th Nov 2012 10:20am |
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mobilecentre Member Since: 05 Mar 2012 Location: Evesham Posts: 645 |
As per all the other posts it is not a UK approval but a European one...... |
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24th Nov 2012 10:22am |
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mobilecentre Member Since: 05 Mar 2012 Location: Evesham Posts: 645 |
R112 is a European regulation so applies to all member states plus all others under the 1958 agreement as previously mentioned. The actual testing of the lamp was carried out in the UK so has an E11 mark to denote this. The test was to ensure it met EUROPEAN approval. For example if it was tested in Switzerland it would have an E14 mark. |
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24th Nov 2012 10:25am |
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ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816 |
OK, finally there is light at the end of the tunnel, seems all clear now. Took a while. Good to have copy of this certificate.
I promise that I will not have similar questions about the LED number plate lamps which presume are in the post now Tks, Eric You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation. http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I https://vimeo.com/201482507 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw |
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24th Nov 2012 10:32am |
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SteveG Member Since: 29 Nov 2011 Location: Norfolk Posts: 659 |
Anyone who wants to know testing requirements of ECE R112 and luminosity levels etc you can see requirements guidelines on a link here ....
http://www.jasic.org/j/07_wp29/pdf/28th_Expert_Meeting_j.pdf With th caveat that you accept this could not be correct. I see what you are saying Tim about ECE R112 is for halogen and LED, so if The headlamps meet the same requirement then they can be fitted like a halogen unit. However, this interpretation is different for a formal exemption and also differs from what the DfT are stating for retro fitting e approved LED headlamps. Cheers Steve |
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24th Nov 2012 3:00pm |
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mobilecentre Member Since: 05 Mar 2012 Location: Evesham Posts: 645 |
As everyone else is getting bored lets simplify it. Your statement was “LED headlamp units are just as illegal as HID lamps in UK if not fitted with self levelling and washers” The justification you are using is a document advising (not legislative) about HID lamps and because you think that is what the DFT say. As you use the word illegal then please show us either the specific statement from the DFT saying that LED headlamps are illegal without levelling and washers or the specific law preventing the use of LED headlamps within the aftermarket without the fitment of levelling or washing. I have already asked for this. |
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24th Nov 2012 3:11pm |
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mobilecentre Member Since: 05 Mar 2012 Location: Evesham Posts: 645 |
Please do not confuse people further by bringing Japan into this...,, |
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24th Nov 2012 3:12pm |
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ZeDefender Member Since: 15 Sep 2011 Location: Munich Posts: 4731 |
I am terrified to post this but is your issue that even though the headlamp meets all technical/safety regulations for being a headlamp, it doesn't necessarily mean you can stick it on any vehicle where you want?
This is true of my Hella driving lights that, even though they have an E approval, have to be fitted according to certain dimensions of the vehicle to be used in Germany. As I understand it, the same standard 7" filament headlamps are found in a number of vehicles (the same in our Defender, 1974 Beetle and Harley Davidsons). Therefore, if the Speaker LED lamps are tested to comply (in comparison) with standard 7" filament lamps, then their E marking implies that they can be used as a universal direct replacement for any 7" filament lamp as long as nothing else changes (i.e. without self-leveling). Sorry if that sounds daft Tell someone you love them today because life is short. But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing... |
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24th Nov 2012 3:13pm |
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mobilecentre Member Since: 05 Mar 2012 Location: Evesham Posts: 645 |
It is not daft as that is the main purpose of the RVLR 1989 to define the mounting and correct use, the part SteveG is missing is in order to mount the product on vehicles (IIRC) newer than 1979 it will need to be ECE approved which is what the RVLR are based around as the UK signed up in 1963 so this is what the RVLR 1989 is based upon - the European regs! Take the Puma - LR homolgated that vehicle in 2007 with R112 approved headlamps so it met all current legislation. So today if you replace the lamp with another R112 unit and do not alter the height , width etc etc then there is no problem at all. |
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24th Nov 2012 3:26pm |
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ZeDefender Member Since: 15 Sep 2011 Location: Munich Posts: 4731 |
Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing... |
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24th Nov 2012 3:33pm |
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SteveG Member Since: 29 Nov 2011 Location: Norfolk Posts: 659 |
What rubbish Tim, I've given you the current legislation, and Ive always been clear about the context of the DfT exemption doc. Nice to see you attacking me! Totally unecessary as I've been quite clear throughout and consistent. Before you claimed that you had special exemption, that no lounger seems to be the case. Now you are stating the basis is the fact that the JW Speaker has the same headlamp approval as halogen units do its ok as it's a direct swap. So what you are saying is you don't know if they are legal or not. You THINK by using the same type of e approved headlamp people should be ok. This a bi different from before. Current UK legislation says only filament headlamps are legal, so anything other than that retrofitted is illegal. DfT have said they will exempt HID & LED if fitted with self levelling and washers. That's clear, no ambiguity at all. Not sure why you dont understand this? If you have a problem with this take it up with DfT, I'm just simply clarifying what's the current legal position. Cheers Steve |
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24th Nov 2012 4:57pm |
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mobilecentre Member Since: 05 Mar 2012 Location: Evesham Posts: 645 |
Steve
My suggestion would be read your posts as your consistency is lacking in certain areas, as for rubbish I will leave those insults to you! I never claimed special exemption – you assumed that is what JWS had and posted it in one of your assumptive responses For the sake of clarity and consistency they are LEGAL which is what I have said since 2009 when we introduced them and did our due diligence I have never claimed any of what I have said is personal thoughts or assumptions – I will leave that to you. As far as any “problem” with this it was not the DFT’s post helping everyone out by telling them their LED headlamps were illegal if not fitted with washing and levelling, it was yours As I have said it’s very simple especially as you are just clarifying the situation – show us the specific legislation stating that retrofit JWS LED headlamps are illegal? Still waiting……… Tim |
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24th Nov 2012 6:34pm |
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