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Constantin_Valdor



Member Since: 28 Sep 2012
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United Kingdom 2012 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Orkney Grey
Gearbox issues??
I have only just topped over 500miles on my defender (had it from new), the issue im having at the moment, if it is an issue, is that my 90 drives completely different from the demonstrater vehicle at the dealership. I think it is an issue with the gearbox/clutch... If i rev the car up and move through gears i.e. when pulling away from a traffic light onto a dual carriageway, when I press the clutch the revs remain elevated for a while and then drop very very slowly. the same if I am on the motorway if I press the clutch the revs will stay elevated for a period and then begin to drop... The demonstarter vehicles gearbox drove fine (has covered about 3000+ miles) when i'd press the clutch the revs would drop properly as they should, the gearbox also felt a little 'tighter'?? As did the clutch?? I have spoken to the dealer about this and the chap is saying: The vehicle is new and should sort itself out once ive done a couple of thousand miles....

Has anybody had any similar probs or advice to offer on what it is causing the issue so I can take it up with the dealer? Or should I just wait until ive done about 2000 miles and see if the issue does resolve 'itself' (very much doubt it will.....)

Any help would be appreciated, as this is my first 90 and I intend to keep it for a long time, so would prefer to get everything sorted byt he dealer as soon as possible! "Innocence proves nothing, as there is no such thing as innocence, only degress of guilt"
Post #177085 19th Oct 2012 11:55am
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Re: Gearbox issues??
Constantin_Valdor wrote:
when I press the clutch the revs remain elevated for a while and then drop very very slowly.



Sounds like the throttle input sensor? I doubt that's the gearbox itself, basically it looks like the ECU is being told that the throttle is not off completely, hence why the revs are still up --
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Post #177088 19th Oct 2012 12:03pm
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Could be the switch on the clutch pedal. There was a recent thread on this subject.
Post #177100 19th Oct 2012 12:45pm
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Is this vehicle new or under warranty - if so and you are not happy with it take it back and get them to sort it.

I think this issue has been covered here before, IIRC the cure may have involved checking the switch on the clutch pedal. Steve.
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i have been told the same as the Demo car i drove done the same and mine does it a little but not alot of revs so to speak as i hardly notice it but i just think that its got warrenty so if is broke LR will be fixing it and its not affecting the drive.

will keep a watch to see what other anser you get Thumbs Up
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Caterham



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easy to eliminate the clutch switch....

open bonnet and disconnect the switch/plug connection next to the clutch master cylinder then take it for a wee drive.

the difference 'should' be obvious.
Post #177118 19th Oct 2012 1:57pm
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Caterham wrote:
easy to eliminate the clutch switch....

open bonnet and disconnect the switch/plug connection next to the clutch master cylinder then take it for a wee drive.

the difference 'should' be obvious.


Whistle do you have a picture of this plug?.............. yes you can say it im thick Thumbs Up
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AlpenAndes



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And what does that clutch switch do or then not when disconencted? Any bad impact if disconnected?

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Post #177160 19th Oct 2012 3:38pm
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Stab in the dark but could this possibly be down to the anti-stall facility? If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!

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K9F wrote:
Stab in the dark but could this possibly be down to the anti-stall facility?

I think your right on that too Mal. Probably a type of electronic monitoring. After all from idle in first you can just bring up the clutch with no throttle and the anti stall kicks in straight away. $W33T $0U7H3RN $UG4R
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Constantin_Valdor



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Hey all thanks for your responses! I will be popping into the dealership and getting them to rectify as the car is under warranty for another 3 years Cool I really hope they can sort it quickly!! Will post up how things go. Best would be to have a defender 'expert' take my 90 for a spin to make sure I can get everything sorted!! If there's one available that is! Whistle "Innocence proves nothing, as there is no such thing as innocence, only degress of guilt"
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Constantin_Valdor



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Hey all, am taking my 90 into the dealership on Sunday. Before taking in I thought I'd grab a few more pointers/advice for issues that I'm having so I can have everything sorted in one go!

1. Clutch sensor - when driving, if I press the clutch the revs stay elevated for a little while, then drop slowly..and then drop to idle (as clutch is fully pressed)

2. There is a lot of play in the gear stick, quite a lot more so than the demo I have driven for a while. From reading on this forum it seems a simple fix. Just want to ensure the 'slackness' is not a result of any other issues.

3. Clutch peddle is a lot 'looser' as to say than the demo??? ( the demo drives perfectly by the way!!)

4. When accelerating and then changing up a gear, the car sort of jolts forwards/nose dives?? Have no idea what the hell it is or could be!!

5. When turning the 90 off after my driving around, the car lets out a big judder?!!!!??

6. Changing from 1st gear to second gear = KLUNK?? All other gears are fine?

I just want my 90 sorted!! I've purchased from new (62) and intend on keeping for a long time so just want everything sorted. It's difficult to understand as the demo I racked 600 miles in drove like a dream!!

So any further input on the above issues will be hugely appreciated!! "Innocence proves nothing, as there is no such thing as innocence, only degress of guilt"
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There is a new SSM on TOPIx I noticed this morning. It relates to this sort of thing on the 2.2, and effectively says 'it's perfectly normal so get used to it'. Something to do with aiding the gear changing.

I did have an issue with an early 2.4 which had started to eat its clutch master cylinder seals and contaminating the fluid, causing the clutch switch on the master cylinder to get confused. I doubt it is this though given the age.

All Defenders are different, so you can jump into one and it feels completely different to another.
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4. So does mine - my LR dealer calls it "kangarooing" and LR tried to improve it with new firmware (which made other things worse). It could be something else like the clutch but driving in a "Defender-friendly" way helps a lot.
5. So does mine, sometimes.
6. So does mine - I have to let the revs drop off and go from 1st to 2nd really gently. 2nd to 3rd can also be interesting as it snatches sometimes. Pushing the lever to get gentle pressure on 3rd then pushing right in is a lot smoother.

I got really obsessive about my gearbox when I first got the 110 (look at my first months of posts on this forum) but gradually I've just got used to it - it isn't any worse after 25,000 km and I hardly think about it any more.

BUT make sure you tell the dealer all these things - it's his job to make sure you're happy (even if he doesn't think so). Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing...
Post #178803 24th Oct 2012 10:25pm
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Constantin_Valdor



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Thanks for putting my mind at rest a little, I think I am getting bit obsessed!! But hey it's my 90!! It's my first one too. Will post outcomes of my meeting on Sunday !!

Thanks again all! "Innocence proves nothing, as there is no such thing as innocence, only degress of guilt"
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