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| dm_td5 Member Since: 20 Jul 2008 Location: Arnhem Land Posts: 609   
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The Puma has developed another oil leak which now makes it leak number 3. The first was the transfer case bottom plate, second was the rear pinion seal and now it looks like I have a leak on the gearbox.
The oil is dripping off the transfer case but given this has been happening for a while and the transfer case level isn't changing I suspect it's actually coming from the gear box. So is the gearbox oil level like any other normal level? i.e. if it dribbles out the filler hole it is considered full Of course the next issue is how do I get hold of Castrol BOT 130 M (Ford Code: WSD-M2C200-C, LR p/n: LR006519) in the middle of bloody nowhere if the level is low? Interestingly this is a 75W-90 fully synthetic as is Syntrax (Transfer case) but this is a different spec according to Castrol. 110 2.4TDCi 110 300Tdi 
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9th Sep 2009 8:29am |
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| dm_td5 Member Since: 20 Jul 2008 Location: Arnhem Land Posts: 609
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9th Sep 2009 10:59am |
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| Grockle Member Since: 24 Nov 2008 Location: Peak District National Park Posts: 2266  
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Level ground full when it runs out the filler/level hole.. 2.4 90 XS 1968 1/32 scale Britains 109 Pick up. |
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9th Sep 2009 11:26am |
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| dm_td5 Member Since: 20 Jul 2008 Location: Arnhem Land Posts: 609
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9th Sep 2009 11:29am |
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| MK Member Since: 28 Aug 2008 Location: Santiago Posts: 2411  
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You can use any 75w/90 but has to be GL-4, not GL-5. Puma 110" SW
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9th Sep 2009 2:59pm |
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| mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5035 
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Transmission Draining and Filling (37.24.01)
Specifications WARNING: Do not work on or under a vehicle supported only by a jack. Always support the vehicle on safety stands. The oil should be drained when the transmission is warm and the vehicle is standing on a level surface 1. Raise and support the vehicle. 2. NOTE: Position a container to collect the oil. 3. Clean the area surrounding the transmission drain plug. 4. Remove the transmission drain plug. 5. Clean transmission drain plug. 6. Install the transmission drain plug and clean any oil residue from the surrounding area. 7. Clean the area surrounding the transmission filler plug. 8. Remove the transmission filler plug. 9. Fill the transmission with the correct grade of oil. 10. Install the transmission filler plug and clean any oil residue from the surrounding area. �� Tighten to 50 Nm (37 lb.ft). 11. Remove the container. 12. Lower the vehicle. Lubricants, Fluids, Sealers and Adhesives Capacities *If re-using nuts on vehicles built prior to VIN732932, tighten to 48 Nm. If replacing nuts, tighten to 30 Nm. +If reusing bolts on vehicles built prior to VIN732932, tighten to 85 Nm. If replacing bolts, tighten to 63 Nm. Item Specification Manual transmission fluid WSD-M2C200-C Super DOT 4 brake fluid ESD-M6C57-A Sealant WSS-M2G348-A10 Grease ESD-M1C220-A Capacities Litres MT82 transmission - Initial fill 2.4 MT82 transmission - Service fill 2.2 Mike |
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9th Sep 2009 5:50pm |
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| mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5035
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Specifications Transfer Case
Lubricants CAUTION: Do not use any lubricant other than that specified General Specification - LT230Q Transfer case data Item Specification Recommended oil API GL4 or GL5, MIL-L-2105 or MIL-L-2105B Capacity 2.3 litres, (4.0 pints) Item Specification Transfer case type LT230QRS Specification Two speed reduction on main gearbox output, front and rear drive permanently engaged via a lockable differential Ratios: High 1.211:1 Low 3.269:1 Mike |
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9th Sep 2009 5:54pm |
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| dm_td5 Member Since: 20 Jul 2008 Location: Arnhem Land Posts: 609
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Thanks, I have access to the GTR pages on the Transmission so I have the details. But nowhere does it say anything thatn to fill with the specified amount of oil.
I'm hesitant to undo the Gearbox filler as yet just in cae it starts to weap as I believe it also has a thread sealant on it. I've also rechecked the transfer case tonight and just added 100mL of Syntrax (that's the correct stuff) to it. So I'm hoping this weap is only the transfercase after all. In Broome now so I can access some more knowledge as there is a LR repair place in town (I believe) 110 2.4TDCi 110 300Tdi
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11th Sep 2009 10:11am |
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| mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5035
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I looked all through and have to agree level checking is forgotten.
Its no different to the old though, so same technique surely applies Mike |
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11th Sep 2009 10:49am |
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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4646 
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When it stops leaking it is empty
 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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11th Sep 2009 5:39pm |
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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4646
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Land Rover should talk to people like you who actually use the vehicle as it was to be designed to be used. They could get all the feedback they need on potential problems and design faults in components. Think how much they would save in R and D. Ride on. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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11th Sep 2009 5:43pm |
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| dm_td5 Member Since: 20 Jul 2008 Location: Arnhem Land Posts: 609
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Don't laugh, the thought did enter my mind 
As for R&D LR in Australia is like every other 4WD maker and thinks only suburban soccer mum's and rich business gits need Chelsea Tractors so they can dream of being capable to go off-road in the great outdoors. That's why there's only about 3 or 4 remote regional dealers left in the entire country and nolonger any remote service agents. 110 2.4TDCi 110 300Tdi
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11th Sep 2009 11:46pm |
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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4646
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No offence ment with my earlier quip. I am well aware that what can be an "annoying problem" over here i.e. a leaking gearbox has the potential to be nothing short of catastrophic for someone like you. At least in earlier handbooks such as for the series Land Rovers or the Tdi models it gave comprehensive instructions on how to check and top up gearboxes and other components. It is a lot easier to refer to a handbook than to go on the net to get info from Land Rover, especially when you are going off the beaten track like you. I think Land Rover ought to go back to the older information laden handbook of old. Not a whole lot of people will want to use it but at least it is there for those who need it.
If Land Rover had the sense they would take your vehicle from you after your trip, strip it and see how different components performed during it and what improvements, (if any) were necessary to make the vehicle perform as it was designed to do. You of course would need to be issued with a replacement vehicle. Think of the information they would garner from an exercise such as this. In no time at all we would have the vehicle that Land Rover can and should be making. It would be cheap at the price for the benefits they would accrue. Probably one of those things that should happen but never will. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel 1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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12th Sep 2009 1:01pm |
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| MK Member Since: 28 Aug 2008 Location: Santiago Posts: 2411
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Tip
mine was leaking after a couple of km (2000 ish). Tooked it to the dealer and he said the gearbox was with an excess of 1 litre, so the oil started to come out through the breather pipe. God knows why there was so much oil! Puma 110" SW ............................................................. Earth first. Other planets later |
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12th Sep 2009 2:12pm |
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