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| vaucluse Member Since: 04 Feb 2012 Location: SE London Posts: 185  
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Does anyone know how much oil it would take to fill the gearbox on a Puma to the filler plug hole?
I've had some issues following a clutch change and now when I take a drive down the motorway it gets impossibly hot inside the 110 SW - the area around the seat boxes and the handbrake are fiercely hot. I suspect they may have toppped up my gearbox. Any ideas? |
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31st May 2012 1:15pm |
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| rossy Member Since: 29 Nov 2010 Location: Co. Roscommon Posts: 1296  
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ah that all makes sense now. When I bought mine new last August I remarked as to how hot the centre tray got after a long journey. Then I changed the gearbox oil (after 500 miles or so). 3 litres of swarfy gritty oil drained out and I refilled with the recommended 2.2 litres. Since then there has been no hot cubby tray issues but I thought nothing of it until now. So it seems too much heat indicates an overfilled gearbox.
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31st May 2012 7:33pm |
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| grat Member Since: 25 May 2012 Location: Holland Posts: 8 
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I drained and refilled the gearbox this morning. About 3.2 litres came out, so filling to the filling hole level would result in overfilling by about one litre or 50% of the recommended amount of transmission oil.
Always good to check the underside as I noticed a leak between the front differential and the forward propshaft which is probably due to a worn seal. Some more work next week ! |
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1st Jun 2012 7:32am |
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| Tim_NZ Member Since: 05 May 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 177 
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This was the first oil change from when the vehicle was new, so the gearbox would have been overfilled at manufacturing. When I undid the filler plug first, (to allow the oil to drain eaiser), I got a face full of oil 
Cheers, Tim |
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1st Jun 2012 9:51am |
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| Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2645  
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It seems to be the norm for the factory to overfill. The front right wheel hub was dripping with grease when I took delivery of mine -- 2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear 2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged 
Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9 Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ |
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1st Jun 2012 9:52am |
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| Tony Member Since: 13 Mar 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 72  
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It beats me why a company puts a filler plug hole in the gearbox which is not in the position where it can also act as a level. So, how do we and the garages check the level between oil changes? - drain the oil, make sure it's the right amount then pour it back in?
Cheers Tony |
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1st Jun 2012 12:40pm |
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| MartinK Member Since: 02 Mar 2011 Location: Silverdale (Lancashire/Cumbria Border) Posts: 2665 
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Mine was the other way around! I only got 2 litres out when I drained...about 200 ml short! Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's) |
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1st Jun 2012 12:48pm |
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| grat Member Since: 25 May 2012 Location: Holland Posts: 8
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Agree. It is quite silly engineering. If they would have drilled the filling hole a centimeter lower, the risk of overfilling and seal damage would be greatly reduced. |
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1st Jun 2012 1:09pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17450 
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I wonder if it is once again the result of the engine/gearbox being installed on the tilt in the Puma. Perhaps in a Transit etc the box is level and the filler is in the right place. Just a thought. Mind you the difference seems rather extreme for this. |
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1st Jun 2012 1:44pm |
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| vaucluse Member Since: 04 Feb 2012 Location: SE London Posts: 185
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Hey Tim, Did you find the seat box and handbrake area really hot before you drained down? |
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1st Jun 2012 1:49pm |
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| JSG Member Since: 12 Jul 2007 Location: Berkshire Posts: 2412 
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Got to agree - seems stupid (for whatever reason they did it) It is daft to not have a way to check the level. John http://www.hampshire4x4response.co.uk 2011 Tdci 110 CSW XS |
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1st Jun 2012 3:39pm |
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| vaucluse Member Since: 04 Feb 2012 Location: SE London Posts: 185
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My worst fears just confirmed - I now have a leak on the gearbox which explains the burning oil smell and excessive heat I've just experience on a trip from London to Cumbria and back. I now know for sure that the garage overfilled my gearbox in their efforts to get rid of a metallic ringing noise which appeared following a clutch replacement.
Does anyone know which seal fails as a result of overfilling the puma gearbox? The leak seams to be coming from around the filler plug area and dripping onto the front drive flange and exhaust pipe directly below. |
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1st Jun 2012 7:50pm |
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| Bravemeister Member Since: 28 Apr 2015 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 12 
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Vaucluse,
Did you get to the bottom of your leaking gearbox as i think i have the same problem...... Starting to think its the prop oil seals but i cant be sure |
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28th Apr 2015 9:22am |
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| AlanH Member Since: 15 Mar 2010 Location: WA Posts: 242
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What totally disgraceful workmanship for oil to come out of a box full of swarf and other crap! In the last year or so of my apprenticeship moons ago the first job I did when getting a batch of boxes to build for road pavers or graders was to ensure the inside was spotless.
Gently blow all drilled and threaded bolt holes out and wash the interior of anything not part of a box. I took great pride in what I did and was shocked by some of the "big hammer men" supposedly skilled and the things they got up to, to get work done extra quick to earn more bonus. Luckily we had some highly competent inspectors who also noticed and they didn't get what were considered plum jobs again. Trouble was I used to get the job of redoing their cock ups!
I shakes me head in horror. AlanH. |
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