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xatzhs

Member Since: 12 Dec 2010
Location: Northumberland & Down South
Posts: 258

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Java Black

Lorryman100 wrote:
And for me, the Puma runs better on the BP stuff compared to Shell and the others. If I have to use supermarket fuel then I add 2SO simply for the extra lubrication it supplies to the fuel system, something the ultimate seems to do as standard. And every six months I also add Forte diesel treatment to the tank as it is a more concentrated cleaning agent.

I know there's billions of stuff about who uses which oil and whatnot, but what 2SO do you use and can you just buy it at the Petrol station?

4th May 2012 9:31pm

ericvv

Member Since: 02 Jun 2011
Location: Near the Jet d'Eau
Posts: 5816

2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SVX Station Wagon Santorini Black

bpman wrote:
I confirm I use BP Ultimate (every 4th tank) and I am a shareholder - along with most of you who are contributing to your company pension scheme (most pension schemes hold BP shares)

BP Ultimate every 4th tank? And for the other 3 tanks I presume you use regular diesel, but branded (BP of course in your case

), not supermarket stuff I presume.

Any particular reason for that? Would using BP Ultimate continuously just be overkill, or are there different reasons for this alternating?

The price difference alone between regular BP diesel and BP Ultimate diesel here in Switzerland is relatively small, equivalent to 4p/ltr... You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation.
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5th May 2012 4:26am

bpman

Member Since: 21 May 2008
Location: Oslo
Posts: 8069

2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SVX Station Wagon Santorini Black

ericvv wrote:
bpman wrote:
I confirm I use BP Ultimate (every 4th tank) and I am a shareholder - along with most of you who are contributing to your company pension scheme (most pension schemes hold BP shares)

BP Ultimate every 4th tank? And for the other 3 tanks I presume you use regular diesel, but branded (BP of course in your case ), not supermarket stuff I presume.

Any particular reason for that? Would using BP Ultimate continuously just be overkill, or are there different reasons for this alternating?

The price difference alone between regular BP diesel and BP Ultimate diesel here in Switzerland is relatively small, equivalent to 4p/ltr...

Every 4th tank ensures the fuel system is cleaned, and 300-400ml 2SO in every tank. A work mate who has used ultimate only on his VW for 18 months (and relatively low mileage) has had all 4 injectors replaced and various other fuel related problems. Another thing to watch is that only buy premium fuels from garages that sell alot of it - ie don't buy diesel of any type that has been in the underground tanks for a long time.

5th May 2012 5:37am

LINKY

Member Since: 08 Apr 2011
Location: Newcastle upon Tyne
Posts: 5

2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey

Tried BP Ultimate in my 08 Puma 110 at 6000 miles as a mid service clean out
LR assist called out before I finished the tankful
EGR valve had to be replaced as caked in carbon
Might just have been a coincidence but put me of using it

5th May 2012 9:34am

bm52

Member Since: 04 Apr 2010
Location: Kent
Posts: 2189

2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Havana

300 -400?
I put in about 250 per fill up which is usually about 45 litres. Am I putting in too little? BM52

5th May 2012 9:37am

bm52

Member Since: 04 Apr 2010
Location: Kent
Posts: 2189

300 -400?
I put in about 250 per fill up which is usually about 45 litres. Am I putting in too little? BM52

5th May 2012 9:38am

ericvv

Member Since: 02 Jun 2011
Location: Near the Jet d'Eau
Posts: 5816

LINKY wrote:
Tried BP Ultimate in my 08 Puma 110 at 6000 miles as a mid service clean out
LR assist called out before I finished the tankful
EGR valve had to be replaced as caked in carbon
Might just have been a coincidence but put me of using it

And then this comment

quote Every 4th tank ensures the fuel system is cleaned, and 300-400ml 2SO in every tank. A work mate who has used ultimate only on his VW for 18 months (and relatively low mileage) has had all 4 injectors replaced and various other fuel related problems. quote

So this all leads toward the conclusion that BP Ultimate can cause serious damage to your motor

Back to the regular supermarket stuff I guess. At least I never had a problem with those

You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation.
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https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I
https://vimeo.com/201482507
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw

5th May 2012 3:39pm

lrmaniac

Member Since: 04 Feb 2010
Location: Lisboa
Posts: 762

2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Keswick Green

Re: BP Ultimate!

[quote="ericvv"]

Zagato wrote:
BP ultimate especially is more expensive than regular diesel, contains more additives of course (do we need them?)

Do they ?

Here in Portugal, there are only two refineries...From Galp (the portuguese oil company) that supplies all brands present in our market... Themselves, BP, Repsol, and all the "white line" brands as the ones from the supermarkets...

Diesel and petrol don't come from abroad, it's all made here... How do we know they add that stuff ? Where do they add it ? Or they add that stuff once the trucks are loaded and ready to go to gas stations ?

At the refienries here there are long lines of trucks waiting to be filled up, and they don't have diferent fuel lines for diesel with a certain type of additives depending on the brand ... All trucks get filled up at the same line. I say it's all the same... Some companies have made tests and found no diference in fuel!

I've used ultimate diesel sometimes and never noticed any diference.
I use Diesel from a french supermarket too (Auchan - here it's called Jumbo) because it's 10 cents cheaper. I've used it in my previous Td5 (for at least during it's last 50k km) and I use it now in my 110 Tdci ( with 23k km now) ... Never had a problem!

Been using 2SO for 6 months now, and is making a diference - much smoother - but fuel economy is none...

Regards
Joao

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5th May 2012 4:47pm

XS Pete

Member Since: 13 Jan 2011
Location: Suffolk
Posts: 632

2011 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey

Quote:
Every 4th tank ensures the fuel system is cleaned

I'd be really interested to know what logic or evidence supports that.

Pete

5th May 2012 7:08pm

LINKY

Member Since: 08 Apr 2011
Location: Newcastle upon Tyne
Posts: 5

On the plus side LR Assist gave me a Jaguar XF as a replacement car, caused a few looks on the Tunnelling Construction site though

I have used Miller Ecomax since and it seems to make a difference, smoother but no difference in MPG

5th May 2012 8:42pm

bpman

Member Since: 21 May 2008
Location: Oslo
Posts: 8069

XS Pete wrote:
Quote:
Every 4th tank ensures the fuel system is cleaned

I'd be really interested to know what logic or evidence supports that.

Pete

Pete, I'm not saying it's right or wrong, it's just what I do. I don't want the expense of ultimate all the time but I can see a benefit of running it though every 4th tank.

5th May 2012 9:08pm

Lorryman100

Member Since: 01 Oct 2010
Location: Here
Posts: 2686

xatzhs wrote:
Lorryman100 wrote:
And for me, the Puma runs better on the BP stuff compared to Shell and the others. If I have to use supermarket fuel then I add 2SO simply for the extra lubrication it supplies to the fuel system, something the ultimate seems to do as standard. And every six months I also add Forte diesel treatment to the tank as it is a more concentrated cleaning agent.

I know there's billions of stuff about who uses which oil and whatnot, but what 2SO do you use and can you just buy it at the Petrol station?

I use this stuff from site sponsor Opie oils

http://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-928-motul-100-...gines.aspx

Brian.

5th May 2012 11:27pm

XS Pete

Member Since: 13 Jan 2011
Location: Suffolk
Posts: 632

Quote:
Pete, I'm not saying it's right or wrong, it's just what I do.

OK, fair enough. I thought that maybe you had some privileged 'insider information' on the formulation of Ultimate, and that had led you to your particular fuelling regime.

Pete

8th May 2012 11:40am

Pam W

Member Since: 25 Oct 2011
Location: North Yorkshire
Posts: 1169

To add to the conversation I've noticed a difference in performance (or lack of it) when using Sainsbury's City Diesel. Dunno what specifically they put in it / do to it, but it supposedly is better for something or other on the urban cycle. Unfortunately it is the only diesel my Sainsbury's sell, so if I get fuel there (slightly cheaper than branded but not mega cheap) then that is what I gets!

Thing is, whilst using it for 3 weeks in a row (ie. the whole tank of fuel has been replaced a couple of times, rather than having a mix of brands) I have noticed my mpg improves a small smidgin, but the power is down and it feels sluggish and 'hard work' to drive and is rattly.

I had about a 3rd of a tank of Sainsbury's City Diesel left in when I filled up at Texaco this week and immediately noticed the power has returned. Feels like 'my car' again, quieter, more responsive....

9th May 2012 9:24pm

RFT

Member Since: 13 Nov 2010
Location: Cheshire
Posts: 678

2010 Defender 130 Puma 2.4 HCPU Zermatt Silver

See post http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic9387.html

I believe that bio diesel type and percentage has a big influence. It is just one big tax dodge so not likely to be good for customers.

My previous post:

I do the same journey Chester to Broadhaven (Pembrokeshire) and return every 3 weeks or so, mostly late in the evening so little congestion, (184miles & 4hours of hard driving) BP Ultimate give 10% improvement in mpg and smoother drive, but what is really noticeable is the difference between Tesco stations, the one in Haverfordwest seems to deliver a smoother drive compared to up north Tescos, but no change in mpg.
It is not only the effect of the additives but also the % biodiesel that I believe effects the smoothness of the drive.

Richard 130 Puma HCPU with an Artica 240LR Demountable Camper

9th May 2012 10:16pm

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