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rossy



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bumperette fitting advice please
My nice'n'cheap Paddocks bumperettes arrived today and very heavy duty and decent they look too.

But on offering them up to the crossmember there's these two big torx headed bolts and washers which are fitted just below the small oblong reflector and are right in the way ! I have done a search and there are a few threads on bumperette fitting so I just wanted to ask :

Can these bolts on the crossmember be removed without something falling to bits ?
On some previous thread pics they seem to be missing ie taken out with no ill effects. What purpose do they actually serve ?

I suppose I could always use some kind of spacer but I'd rather take the bolts out as long as the crossmember doesn't fall out

All good counsel gratefully received Smile
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See the other recent thread Rossy Sad http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic11896.html

iruffell wrote:
Just spoken to Paddock and they agree that they don't fit vehicles with forward facing rear seats so they are going back for a refund, going to look at the Terrafirma ones now.


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Mainly holding panelling I would imagine. You can remove them without any problems but I wouldn't keep them removed. After all there would be no purpose to remove them and they serve a purpose of being there in the first place. I had to remove two on the rear offside as are fixings for the LR genuine ladder.
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mine went on a 110DC pickup which might be the reason they fitted ?
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Picture as promised - but it's getting dark so not the best!

These were from Paddocks.


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rossy



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thanks for the pic Sparkylee- I think I've now realised that these Paddocks things aren't meant for 7 seat Pumas as those bolts that are in the way have something do do with forward facing 7 seat arrangement (strange - they seem a long way from the seats - maybe tub reinforcement ?

But I'm getting them on somehow as its too much of a Palava to send them back from here so spacers and longer M8 bolts it is !

Er Zag I should have read the rest of the other thread as its answered the question Embarassed I wouldn't mind but reading that is what made me order them in the first place Embarassed Embarassed
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My 110 TD5 has those Torx head bolts in the way and that had side facing seats in as standard. I took one lot out and none of the fixings for the seats got anyway near the cross member. It seems to be a peculiarity for 110's that have station wagon bodies. I ended up spacing mine out in the finish, damned awkward to get the nuts to the bolts inside the X member though, have a look at the aforementioned thread for ideas Confused
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They are the bolts holding the mounting frame for rear seatbelt, therefore they shouldn't be left out
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United Kingdom 2011 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Galway Green
on my 90 the 2 torx bolts at the end of the rear cross member (2 each side 4 in total ) hold the NAS style rear step/tow bar which was not fitted and a bracket on the other side, they have nuts on the other side of the cross member, there is a pair of anti crush spacers in the cross member that become loose when the bolts are removed, I removed one bolt and inserted it from the other side of the cross member, then removed the other and insered that, I then used these same bolts to secure my bumperettes with the nuts on the outside but some makes use smaller bolts. DEFENDER 90 TDCI XS,

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As already mentioned those bolts are for the reinforcement chassis frame for the seat belts for the rear forward facing seats in the 90 and 110 7 seater station wagons. DO NOT remove unless you intend removing those rear forward facing seats. I just had some 10mm thick spacers made up. Worked a treat.


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rossy



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neat looking installation Welshgas. When I did a search before posting I remember you said that not being able to fit the fourth bolt wasn't an issue. I'm guessing you had to go to a metal fabricator/merchant to get the spacers made up ?
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Hi rosy,
My local indy made the spacers up for me. LANDYWATCH

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Do the Safari Equip or Terrafirma ones suffer the same problem?
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rossy



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finally fitted mine today thanks to all the good advice and tips from you guys. Thanks a million !

firstly I had to get 2 spacers cut 40mm x 45mm from 10mm flat steel bar at a local metal fabricators which cost the princely sum of € 2 ! Didn't bother with four as it tapers in so slightly its not really noticable.

Then I had to drill 2 x 8mm holes in each - easier said than done. After a load of wrecked drill bits I realised that heat was the problem so I borrowed a plant trough from the missus and covered the spacers with water. Drilling underwater made the job a cinch.

Putting them on was (as reported by everyone) a total ball breaker of a job. I really wanted to get all four nuts on each so had to use blu tac to hold the nut behind the hole in the top right corner while I offered up the bumperette ,bolt and spacer while holding the nut steady with my finger - there is hardly any room behind the crossmember Evil or Very Mad

I wasn't even going to bother with them but the back corners are quite exposed. But now if a poor old dear in Tescos car park decides to reverse into me her Micra will barely scratch the paint

Horrid job but its done now. Ah well, girls, beauty hurts !
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Well done they are a pain but a very useful addition
Look good as well
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