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d92qyh



Member Since: 08 Apr 2011
Location: UK
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Rough at startup and smoke
Hello,
The last couple of mornings I have started my 2007 puma up and it has been rough with a fair bit of smoke for about 5 seconds after starting. After this it gets smooth as normal and the smoke stops.
Any ideas? I was thinking glow plugs or injectors.
Tried turning the ignition on twice this morning to let the glow plugs do their thing twice but still the same issue (although less cranking reqiured).
Post #122711 9th Feb 2012 4:19pm
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warren



Member Since: 14 Oct 2009
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England 2009 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 HT Santorini Black
Mines the same when it's cold.

Monday was the worst as I'd not used it all weekend and was covered in snow and ice. Gave it a couple of glow plug cycles but it fired up after three or four turns of the engine, sounded like a bag of spanners and chucked out a lot of smoke, but after 10 seconds or so it had settled down.

When it's warm or during the summer it's fine.

I'd be tempted to say its normal (mines recently been serviced too), but don't hold me to it.
Post #122851 9th Feb 2012 9:52pm
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Jammer600



Member Since: 27 Feb 2011
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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 HT Tonga Green
Mine did that when my egr was making loads of noise, got the egr taken off and greased up, all is well now Smile 90 Puma HT
Post #122854 9th Feb 2012 10:02pm
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Nick T



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England 2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 HT Galway Green
Mine was bad last week. Healthy battery, just turning over but wouldn't fire. Smokes a lot on start up and runs rough. Soon clears though.
Post #122918 10th Feb 2012 7:33am
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Glynparry25



Member Since: 16 Feb 2009
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Wales 2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS DCPU Tonga Green
Have the EGR checked, mine did the same a few years ago.

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blackwolf



Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
I have noticed that mine has been doing this too on the recent cold mornings, a few seconds of dense whitish smoke whcih clears in a few seconds, and even more rattly than normal.

As far as I can tell, the EGR is still working properly (at least it still makes the ugga-ugga-ugga on switch off).
Post #123019 10th Feb 2012 2:35pm
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d92qyh



Member Since: 08 Apr 2011
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Thanks for all the replies. Still having the same issue (seems to be blueish smoke) on first startup with rough running but really no problems at all after 5 seconds.
Never seem to have any problems after the initial first start of the day as recently left it for 8/9 hours in the day after driving to work and no issues when starting in the evening.

Due for a service soon so will get it looked over.
Post #123422 12th Feb 2012 2:15pm
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Naks



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chuck in some 2SO and see if it makes a difference? It may just clean up some carboned-up components. --
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StuLandy



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Hi all, great site..some really usefull stuff on here...My Landy has just started to do this after filling up with Tesco's fuel. Back on the Asda stuff now but seems to be getting progressively worse..may not be fuel related but some pointers/ideas would be helpfull..

cheers
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Captain Speaking



Member Since: 23 Jan 2012
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Sounds like the EGR...my D3 was just the same, and it was indeed the EGR.

Re Tesco fuel - don't do it!! I use Ultimate etc and it really does make a Difference.
Post #158732 29th Jul 2012 10:58pm
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WelshGas



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I use Tesco Diesel + 2so and have done since new - No Problems , 2010 90 XS and now has 25,000m + on the clock. Only time I don't use Tesco is when I'm travelling when I use whatever is available. Thumbs Up LANDYWATCH

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Post #158807 30th Jul 2012 5:57pm
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bob neville



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Sounds like my TD5.

Only started after the EGR was blanked. After initial start everything is fine.

Changed the MAF, no oil in the harness, no apparent oil loss, no water problems Shocked

My Puma blows a bit of blue smoke in the winter on first start but that is just a little unburnt fuel.

TD5 is back in next week and the workshop are going to have a look to see if they can find the cause. In my case it may be down to something gummed up due to very little use, I am sure all will be revealed soon Thumbs Up

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Post #158811 30th Jul 2012 6:17pm
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ericvv



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Captain Speaking wrote:
Sounds like the EGR...my D3 was just the same, and it was indeed the EGR.

Re Tesco fuel - don't do it!! I use Ultimate etc and it really does make a Difference.


It sure does. I have been using cheaper French supermarket diesel for years, and the engine hammered away rather distinctly, and on turn off, the EGR cleaning "chuka chuka" was quite loud....
About 4 months ago I switched to using BP Ultimate, and immediately noticed a change in engine sound level, much smoother, less hammering. And the "chuka chuka" has become a nice quiet discreet cleaning cycle.

I have no idea about any change in fuel economy with BP Ultimate, but one thing is for sure, everything works like a dream now. You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation.
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Post #158814 30th Jul 2012 6:44pm
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StuLandy



Member Since: 28 Jul 2012
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Cheers for the replys lads, got back onto the Asda fuel, threw about 300ml of 2so in on a full tank and all is well, less smoke on start up and not lumpy. Seems a little quieter and the egr valve cleaning cycle is less prominent sound.
Would you always put 2SO in every fuel up or every other. Would you use 2so with bp ultimate (only when i'm flushed with funds will she get BP).
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ericvv



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I'm using BP Ultimate without anything else... Smooth as can be now. You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation.
http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o
https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I
https://vimeo.com/201482507
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw
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