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oldnickers



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United Kingdom 2011 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Orkney Grey
Gearbox/clutch 2011MY after 700 miles!
Picked up a 90XS MY2011 pre-reg this week. Have now done almost 700 miles, mainly motorway and A road. After a long motorway run the gearbox/driveline is vibrating as speed falls below 20 mph and the clutch is depressed. It feels like a propshaft is falling off. Took the car to Stratstone Stoke (not supplying dealer but were really helpful) on spec and they inspected but couldn't find anything. Returned home today and as soon as hit slow moving traffic (M25!) the vibration was present.

The vibration is very noticeable - can be heard as well as felt. I've been looking on the forum but there are so many posts relating to gearboxes and clutches I'm beginning to imagine symptoms!

Does anyone have any ideas?

On a lighter note, after the Defender my Discovery now feels like a sports car!

Thanks for your advice, Nick
Post #108103 17th Dec 2011 7:10pm
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The handbrake needs adjusting correctly, i used to get this all the time and have noticed it on many courtesy defenders that i have had. If seams that the return srings are not very good and when there is a large air gap round the shoes they move off centre and the leading edge just catches as you slow down and causes the vibration and driveline clatter, Keep it adjusted to 1 or 2 clicks on the lever and you wont hear it again. If everything is under control you are not going fast enough.

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Post #108146 18th Dec 2011 9:36am
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oldnickers



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Thanks noworries, really appreciate the advice...sounds like that will do the trick. Fingers crossed, because I really am enjoying the Defender so far!
Post #108170 18th Dec 2011 1:20pm
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That's strange a main dealer can't diagnose a Defender fault - must be a first!!

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Post #108200 18th Dec 2011 5:13pm
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United Kingdom 2011 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Orkney Grey
Update - got car back from supplying dealer - seems a new transfer box is required and they are on back order. Not very encouraging in both respects... Sad Defender 2.2 2013
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Post #109681 24th Dec 2011 10:20am
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pjh



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United Kingdom 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Orkney Grey
Hi,

Happy Christmas! Our 110 XS MY2011 is doing exactly the same thing - now has about 1,100 miles on the clock.

It only seems to happen after a long run and then at low speeds, as you describe.

Would be really interested in how you get on. Have you got an eta on the transfer box?

Many thanks,

Peter Defender 11MY USW
Post #110088 26th Dec 2011 10:08am
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oldnickers wrote:
Update - got car back from supplying dealer - seems a new transfer box is required and they are on back order. Not very encouraging in both respects... Sad


I bet it still has the same issues when you get it back, Then you can tell them to change the park brake drum and adjust the park brake properly, 130's have feeling's as well you know Smile
Post #110091 26th Dec 2011 10:27am
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No update on eta - dealer in the dark (yeah, I know...but they do look after me well). If this doesn't fix, then I guess it'll be the handbrake, which I did suggest to them already. Anyway, of more concern is the total absence of snow!! Defender 2.2 2013
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Post #110418 28th Dec 2011 6:33pm
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Update - new transfer box arrived and fitted yesterday. LR had me in a hired Freelander for the last week or so...I guess the cost of that helped accelerate delivery of the new box because original timescale was end of January! Collecting Defender tomorrow so I hope it's solved - mainly because I was getting too used to the refinement and practicality of the Freelander Embarassed

Thanks again for the earlier input. Defender 2.2 2013
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Post #116917 19th Jan 2012 9:22pm
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Does sound like the handbrake recall issue, check on Topix if yours needs doing or call any dealer with your VIN number and registration and they can look it up for you. I would call another dealer just to check Wink

It is this,

2007 - 2011 model year, park brake oil contamination (programme Number PO22) .

I didn't have any symptoms but I wasn't told until 2 months adfter I had bought it. You would think they would check on any due recalls before they send them out Rolling Eyes
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United Kingdom 2011 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Orkney Grey
Zagato wrote:
Does sound like the handbrake recall issue, check on Topix if yours needs doing or call any dealer with your VIN number and registration and they can look it up for you. I would call another dealer just to check Wink

It is this,

2007 - 2011 model year, park brake oil contamination (programme Number PO22) .

I didn't have any symptoms but I wasn't told until 2 months adfter I had bought it. You would think they would check on any due recalls before they send them out Rolling Eyes



Thanks Zagato, I did ask them to check the recall when I collected it. Showed me a printout they do automatically which said there were no outstanding recalls on the vehicle. Apparently the old transfer box oil was badly contaminated with metal particles and the car seems much smoother than it was. Defender 2.2 2013
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Post #117011 20th Jan 2012 11:58am
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Hope it is sorted Thumbs Up
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I'd put money on it being the handbrake issue, happened to mine with exactly the same symptoms, always at the end of a long motorway run as heat builds up. Andy
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United Kingdom 2011 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Orkney Grey
Update from original post
Well, it's been a while and I wanted to see what happened following the fitting of the second transfer box.

It wasn't good news. The "new" box (which I think may have been a remanufactured one) whined on the first day. So I returned pretty annoyed, they agreed, and I told them if it wasn't fixed in a week I would like to return the car. That got things moving, and the dealer swapped a new one out of a sales car that had delivery miles only on it. Within a week.

The new box was just like the original one in terms of quietness. When I collected it, the mechanic who'd fitted it and become a bit of sympathetic friend mentioned that he'd slackened off the handbrake as the shoes had been picking up on the drum...now that sounded ominous...I wondered (even hoped) that the original problem was exactly as a number of you guys had suggested (and I'd relayed to the dealer) so I'd be effectively where I should have been at the start.

It's now starting to clunk again though!! I am now able to hear the early onset of it. Only gets worse as the miles increase. What should I do? Return the car and avoid Defenders? Thing is, I really like knocking about in it! Advice gratefully received. Defender 2.2 2013
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Post #132006 17th Mar 2012 8:27am
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IMHO Oldnickers i think thats the way they are.

There is a certian amount of slack in the transmission and if driven sympathetically they are quite and slop free. If not the are horrible things with clonks and bangs and loads of backlash.

I think 3 out of 3 faulty TBs are unlikely, so its either the diff has play or you've been very unlucky or you ain't suited to a defender?

Have you tried another vehicle to see if "they all do that" ?
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