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anotherrick



Member Since: 02 Feb 2024
Location: Lancashire
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 1997 Defender 110 300 Tdi CSW Rioja Red
Almost broke down
Yesterday morning on my way to work a strange thing happened. It's only a 10 mile commute and 3.5 miles of that is motorway (1 junction if I go that way) as I exited the motorway and got to the roundabout i lost all power to the point I was practically at walking speed and billowing smoke from the exhaust to the point nothing would pass as they couldn't see, thankfully not that busy on an early Saturday morning.
Managed to limp round the roundabout about and a couple of hundred or so yards down the road to a safe place to stop.
As I was straightening up the car so as not to cause an obstruction everything came back to normal and I was able to drive the 5 ish miles or so to work as though nothing had happened.
I checked later that morning and no loss of coolant, oil level correct ect.
Travel to work this morning but not on the motorway and all good, I've yet to get home though haha.
As for the smoke im not sure on colour as it was dark but looked lightish grey if that makes a difference and didn't really smell fuely or oily, just like an exhaust would smell.
300tdi 110
What's your thoughts?
Post #1058670 26th Jan 2025 5:29pm
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landy andy



Member Since: 15 Feb 2009
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2006 Defender 110 Td5 USW Zermatt Silver
When did you last have a fuel filter?
Post #1058673 26th Jan 2025 5:57pm
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julian



Member Since: 17 Feb 2017
Location: Devon
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United Kingdom 1994 Defender 110 300 Tdi CSW Alpine White
Clutching at straws, I'd consider a turbo hose delaminating.

This would fit with it running ok on boost / partial boost but failing when approaching a roundabout when it would, effectively, be naturally aspirated.

Black smoke sounds like too much fuel / too little air so I'd be surprised if it was a fuel restriction, but you never know.

Of course, a stuffed air filter or the hose to the turbo would also do it, but that wouldn't happen when you were decelerating.


You said that the smoke didn't smell much. If you change your mind or it starts to smell like burning tyres, pull the intercooler and see how much oil you can pour out of it.
Post #1058676 26th Jan 2025 6:15pm
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custom90



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Any possibility of any obstruction sucked in the air intake, inc to the air filter?

A workshop glove, leaves, blue paper roll, or similar things can easily go in.

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Post #1058678 26th Jan 2025 6:28pm
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Ramsay



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Scotland 1995 Defender 110 300 Tdi CSW Auto Keswick Green
Intercooler hoses, collapsing or just being loose 1995 Defender 110 CSW
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Post #1058682 26th Jan 2025 6:51pm
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BrickBox



Member Since: 05 Oct 2021
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Wales 2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Zermatt Silver
As above. Sounds like a possible hose/intercooler has split. 2008 2.4 110 Utility Station Wagon XS.
Post #1058684 26th Jan 2025 7:10pm
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Julie



Member Since: 07 Oct 2017
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France 2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 SW Keswick Green
custom90 wrote:
Any possibility of any obstruction sucked in the air intake, inc to the air filter?

A workshop glove, leaves, blue paper roll, or similar things can easily r go in.

Long shot, but is possible.


If there was an oiled air filtre, I'd check that one.

Turbo hose split normally causes loss of engine power but not limited to walking speed.
Post #1058749 27th Jan 2025 7:51pm
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anotherrick



Member Since: 02 Feb 2024
Location: Lancashire
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 1997 Defender 110 300 Tdi CSW Rioja Red
First of all thanks to the replies above. I took a look and all pipes appear "ok" for thier age.
However the issue has occurred five times over the last several days and it's definitely fuel related. I know this from the very strong smell of fuel i can now smell when it happens. Same symptoms as my first post but it only seems to happen when the car has been driven at higher speeds i.e. duel carriageway/motorway speeds and only happens when coming off the throttle to slow down. Then will just about idle or ill turn it off for a couple of mins then it'll start fine and I can carry on.
So far anything below 50mph and I can drive round all day long.
Post #1059978 8th Feb 2025 6:25pm
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I Like Old Skool



Member Since: 23 Feb 2015
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United Kingdom 1994 Defender 110 300 Tdi ST Coniston Green
I Like Old Skool wrote:
Could be the fuel lift pump, but not for the reason you might think....

My 300tdi was intermittently losing power when on the motorway at full speed of around 85-90mph, so full fuel flow required. This suddenly got worse after an off-road foray.

I found out that the fuel lift pump was not working, but that wasn't the issue either. In the fuel lift pump is a nylon gauze strainer and this was clogged up with crap from the tank. While waiting for a replacement pump to arrive I cleaned the muck out and refitted the non-operational lift pump and full power was restored.

Turns out (and I read this on the internet too, so it must be true) that the type of injection pump used on our Tdi engines will suck its own fuel quite happily without the lift pump. My experience suggests this is the case.

When the fault first showed up the flow must have only been restricted enough to be noticeable when driving flat out for a while where the fuel filter got drained and fuel being pulled through the partially blocked pump strainer was not enough to refill it. Once more muck was dislodged and blocked the pump even more the problem got worse and the engine would splutter, shake and cut out, but would then restart after a couple of minutes and if allowed to idle for a bit (allowing fuel to seep through while using minimal fuel for the engine) I could then drive another mile or so before it would start struggling again.

It ran fine with the failed pump fitted while I got around to fitting the replacement.

This fuel strainer in the lift pump isn't mentioned in any of the service manuals/schedules I have ever seen so it was a surprise to me but always worth checking it occasionally as it is only 1 screw to remove the cap from the lift pump. Because it is upstream of the fuel filter it will catch any lumpy bits that might be picked up from the fuel tank and only lets finer stuff through to the fuel filter.
Post #1060000 9th Feb 2025 7:59am
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Julie



Member Since: 07 Oct 2017
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France 2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 SW Keswick Green
anotherrick wrote:
First of all thanks to the replies above. I took a look and all pipes appear "ok" for thier age.
However the issue has occurred five times over the last several days and it's definitely fuel related. I know this from the very strong smell of fuel i can now smell when it happens. Same symptoms as my first post but it only seems to happen when the car has been driven at higher speeds i.e. duel carriageway/motorway speeds and only happens when coming off the throttle to slow down. Then will just about idle or ill turn it off for a couple of mins then it'll start fine and I can carry on.
So far anything below 50mph and I can drive round all day long.


Well, 50 mph is quite a bit more than walking speed Smile

Could be thé turbo then. There's a guy experiencing the same issue on his Puma. He's doing a lot of investigation / testing in order to sort this out. Just look in the tdci section.
Post #1060004 9th Feb 2025 9:08am
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