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Julie



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France 2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 SW Keswick Green
2.2 have some improvements above 2.4

Especially piezo injectors from Bosch and not magnetic ones
Clutch is better and headlights professional connection via relais

Homologation for 150 000 km and not 70000

The Euro6 conversion - does it really exist ?
Post #1054333 10th Dec 2024 12:53pm
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lightning



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lt does, but the price has gone up since l last looked

https://neneoverland.co.uk/defender-2-2-ul...nversions/
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o4dn



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France 2009 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 SW Alaska White
Julie wrote:
2.2 have some improvements above 2.4
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Homologation for 150 000 km and not 70000

What is that homologation about? “A Land Rover immobilized is a moral defeat for the driver and bad publicity for the vehicle, […] it's up to you to do justice to your Land Rover!” - Land Rover Driving Technique.
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2009 2.4 Puma Defender 90 SW
1979 Land Rover Series 3 88"
Post #1054347 10th Dec 2024 2:40pm
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lightning



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This might be a good deal, depending on the price

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/286199288507?mk...media=COPY
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spudfan



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jbcollier wrote:
AFAIK, the piston jet issue affected only very early engines. I believe it was sorted by 2008.

My 2008 suffered from this. Came to light after six years of ownership. Engine was replaced by Land Rover. As it was six years old, three years out of warranty, Land Rover paid 75% of the cost and I paid 25%. I was happy enough with that arrangement. It was all thanks to the service manager at the maindealer who serviced it,that Land Rover paid 75%. He fought my case and told Land Rover what a stickler I was for getting things done right! He was pushing for 100% from Land Rover but three years out of warranty decided Land Rover against this. Maindealer no longer in business. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai
Post #1054698 14th Dec 2024 9:17pm
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lightning



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The blue one for sale with very low mileage has the earlier engine so you'd probably have to eventually replace it.

A good 2.2 Puma is probably a better bet.
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blackwolf



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
The 2.2 did have a similarly potentially catastrophic problem with the variable displacement oil pump as I recall.

Personally I'd always choose a 2.4 over a 2.2, but that is a matter of personal preference.
Post #1054714 15th Dec 2024 9:02am
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BrickBox



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Wales 2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Zermatt Silver
Agreed. 2.4 for me and lack of DPF/oil Dilution etc. 2008 2.4 110 Utility Station Wagon XS.
Post #1054715 15th Dec 2024 9:37am
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jim4244



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England 2007 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 CSW Zermatt Silver
I think that the 2.4 is a good engine. As long as it is serviced using quality oil and decent filters, along with replacement of consumable parts then I see no reason why moon mileage cant be achieved.

A ships engineer once told me that his engines needed 3 things to ensure that they worked as they should and without problem:

1/ Clean fuel
2/ Clean air
3/ Clean oil

I carry out a full service every 6 months or 5000 miles regardless of the make or model of the vehicle I own.

Jim
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DSC-off



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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Aintree Green
lightning wrote:
l have been looking at Puma Defenders as an option to replace my 2022 Defender.


A genuine question, I'm very interested to know.
Why do you think a 10 to 15 year old Defender is better everyday vehicle for you, than JLR's best selling current model?

I have occasionally considered replacing a late Puma but never made the jump.
Thanks.
Post #1054728 15th Dec 2024 11:22am
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lightning



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lt is indeed a dilemma for me.

l love the old Defenders but l also love my 2022 Defender. My only concerns with the new one are repair costs once it gets older, where with the old one it's not the case.
Post #1054730 15th Dec 2024 12:17pm
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andy63



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jim4244 wrote:
I think that the 2.4 is a good engine. As long as it is serviced using quality oil and decent filters, along with replacement of consumable parts then I see no reason why moon mileage cant be achieved.

A ships engineer once told me that his engines needed 3 things to ensure that they worked as they should and without problem:

1/ Clean fuel
2/ Clean air
3/ Clean oil

I carry out a full service every 6 months or 5000 miles regardless of the make or model of the vehicle I own.

Jim


In another life that's what i was trained as..
And that is one of the things I picked up very quickly in my brief spell at sea..
All the diesels we ran had a strict running hours and oil change routine and by in large it kept them right..👍
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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Aintree Green
lightning wrote:
lt is indeed a dilemma for me.

l love the old Defenders but l also love my 2022 Defender. My only concerns with the new one are repair costs once it gets older, where with the old one it's not the case.


I can understand that concern, a vehicle has to be affordable to buy and to run.
A recent chat with a farmer driving a new commercial 90 had him ask 'Will you be changing for a new one?'
When I said No, he said 'Ah, you say that, you should try one. Once you have, there's no going back.'

I'm not convinced there's a worthwhile change for me, currently doing only 12K miles a year spread over 3 vehicles.
Jeep Wrangler, new Defender, Grenadier and new Land Cruiser all looked interesting initially but the old Defender still has a charm.
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spudfan



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The mechanic who looks after my Pumas used to work for a Ford main dealer. He holds these engines in high regard. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai
Post #1054820 16th Dec 2024 11:42am
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lightning



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lightning wrote:
This might be a good deal, depending on the price

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/286199288507?mk...media=COPY



Bid up to £30,000

That seems to be the ceiling for old Defenders at the moment. The £40,000 ones don't seem to be selling. l've been "watching" a few for months. One has just come down from £36,000 to £30,000
Lovely looking late 2.2 110 XS SW with under 20,000 miles.
Post #1054897 16th Dec 2024 9:32pm
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