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stevemfr Member Since: 18 Sep 2022 Location: Strasbpurg Posts: 140 |
I know. That is exactly what I was referring to. My 911s are pre-sound symposer, but I remember thinking the same things when I read about it's introduction as when I read about enhancing engine noise through speakers the first time. But that lead me down the rabbit hole of self-reflection and DIY exhaust building that I described above and suddenly it made more sense. Just out of curiosity, do you feel better about the sound symposer because it's "real" engine noise you're hearing vs "enahnced"? I don't mean that in a negative sense at all - I really am just curious. @custom90 While I appreciate all sorts of motor sounds, my favorite is still a 90° V8. My Camaro (which I still own ) has a 350 with headers and a 2 1/2" exhaust running through late 70's Z28 resonators (the Z28s had cats prior to the resonators). And I think that it sounds better than any super- or hypercar I've ever heard. Sorry to the OP for all the OT. RRC 2Dr, RRC 4Dr, P38, and 2 L322s, 2 FL1s and a L663 on the way |
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10th Sep 2024 4:12pm |
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CincyRovers1 Member Since: 30 Nov 2023 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 85 |
I don't mind it at all on the turbocharged cars. They have the better performance but inside it still sounds like an old school NA 911. 991.1 cars I could take it or leave it. It doesn't bother me, but I don't find it to be necessary, but I think it is great with the 991.2 and newer cars. 𝟐𝟎𝟐𝟏 𝐃𝐞𝐟𝐞𝐧𝐝𝐞𝐫 𝟏𝟏𝟎 𝐒 𝐏𝟑𝟎𝟎 (Pangea Green over Acorn/Lunar)
𝟐𝟎𝟐𝟑 𝐏𝐨𝐫𝐬𝐜𝐡𝐞 𝐌𝐚𝐜𝐚𝐧 𝐒 (Dolomite Silver over Black/Bordeaux Red) 𝟐𝟎𝟏𝟕 𝐃𝐢𝐬𝐜𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐲 𝐇𝐒𝐄 𝐋𝐮𝐱𝐮𝐫𝐲 𝐒𝐢𝟔 (Aintree Green over Vintage Tan/Ebony) - Gone 𝟐𝟎𝟏𝟏 𝐋𝐑𝟒 𝐇𝐒𝐄 𝟓.𝟎 (Ipanema Sand over Almond/Arabica) - Gone |
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10th Sep 2024 5:06pm |
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stevemfr Member Since: 18 Sep 2022 Location: Strasbpurg Posts: 140 |
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12th Sep 2024 12:11am |
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H1Tad Member Since: 20 Jul 2024 Location: Maine Posts: 132 |
I don't think this is a very controversial statement when I say that people prefer authenticity instead of fakeness.
Piping in artificially generated engine noise, even if its pleasant to the ears, just rubs some people the wrong way. If they hadn't known it was fake, they otherwise wouldn't have cared and continued to live their lives in merry acoustic bliss more than likely. The "symposer" and other acoustic "enhancements" are still using the engine suck-bang-blow cycle as the source of the sound - kind of like straight-piping or adding resonators to the exhaust. That's not fake - its just taking the existing sound and making it better. Using speakers is just making it up whole cloth - independent from the mechanical function of the motor. If the sound can be generated while the engine is off and sitting still, thats when you know its fake. 2022 Defender 110 SE P400 Tasman Blue Expedition and Cold weather package 2003 Hummer H1 P400 Firehouse Red 2008 Toyota FJ Cruiser |
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12th Sep 2024 1:06am |
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Nuclear Nick Member Since: 21 Aug 2021 Location: Southwest Posts: 285 |
Not through the speakers but there is an 'engine sound actuator' to 'enhance' the engine sound in the cabin. Porsche have declared in the past that fake engine sound through the sound system, at least in ICE cars, is against their principles. 23.5MY 90 V8 Carpathian grey |
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12th Sep 2024 8:33am |
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CincyRovers1 Member Since: 30 Nov 2023 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 85 |
I do feel better that it's real. Amplified genuine sound is in my opinion so much better than a digitally enhanced sound through the stereo. 𝟐𝟎𝟐𝟏 𝐃𝐞𝐟𝐞𝐧𝐝𝐞𝐫 𝟏𝟏𝟎 𝐒 𝐏𝟑𝟎𝟎 (Pangea Green over Acorn/Lunar) 𝟐𝟎𝟐𝟑 𝐏𝐨𝐫𝐬𝐜𝐡𝐞 𝐌𝐚𝐜𝐚𝐧 𝐒 (Dolomite Silver over Black/Bordeaux Red) 𝟐𝟎𝟏𝟕 𝐃𝐢𝐬𝐜𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐲 𝐇𝐒𝐄 𝐋𝐮𝐱𝐮𝐫𝐲 𝐒𝐢𝟔 (Aintree Green over Vintage Tan/Ebony) - Gone 𝟐𝟎𝟏𝟏 𝐋𝐑𝟒 𝐇𝐒𝐄 𝟓.𝟎 (Ipanema Sand over Almond/Arabica) - Gone |
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12th Sep 2024 12:54pm |
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CincyRovers1 Member Since: 30 Nov 2023 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 85 |
You are referring to the Sound Symposer that I mentioned earlier in the thread. My Macan doesn't have that. I don't have PSE and the car is still pretty loud and the exhaust does have a valve that opens in Sport and Sport +. The old euro-spec Macan S Diesel did have a device on the firewall similar to VW's Soundaktor (and had actual speakers in the muffler when fitted with PSE). 𝟐𝟎𝟐𝟏 𝐃𝐞𝐟𝐞𝐧𝐝𝐞𝐫 𝟏𝟏𝟎 𝐒 𝐏𝟑𝟎𝟎 (Pangea Green over Acorn/Lunar) 𝟐𝟎𝟐𝟑 𝐏𝐨𝐫𝐬𝐜𝐡𝐞 𝐌𝐚𝐜𝐚𝐧 𝐒 (Dolomite Silver over Black/Bordeaux Red) 𝟐𝟎𝟏𝟕 𝐃𝐢𝐬𝐜𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐲 𝐇𝐒𝐄 𝐋𝐮𝐱𝐮𝐫𝐲 𝐒𝐢𝟔 (Aintree Green over Vintage Tan/Ebony) - Gone 𝟐𝟎𝟏𝟏 𝐋𝐑𝟒 𝐇𝐒𝐄 𝟓.𝟎 (Ipanema Sand over Almond/Arabica) - Gone |
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12th Sep 2024 1:13pm |
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Nuclear Nick Member Since: 21 Aug 2021 Location: Southwest Posts: 285 |
No, I understand the Sound Symposer, it's fitted to my 991.2 GTS. Porsche have fitted the sound actuator to many models, including my now gone 2017 Macan Turbo, although that did have PSE.
I think we're agreeing violently here (LOL) but the main point is that while Porsche ICE cars don't have fake sound through the speakers some models will have the firewall shaker. It's Item 54 in the attached Macan parts list. Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge 23.5MY 90 V8 Carpathian grey |
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12th Sep 2024 3:48pm |
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Philm Member Since: 19 Jun 2020 Location: Manchester Posts: 171 |
Perhaps this should be moved to it's own thread, not hijacking someone else's
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12th Sep 2024 4:00pm |
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CincyRovers1 Member Since: 30 Nov 2023 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 85 |
Interesting; that looks exactly like the Soundaktor used in the other VAG products. I did some digging and turns out the Soundaktor doesn't play fake engine noise, but rather amplifies it through a transducer which is like a speaker without the cone. I've been in many VAG products with the Soundaktor with I4 engines and it gives that warble sound like an I5. I don't get any of that with the Macan. There's a possibility that it was removed in the 95B.3, but I'll take a look at the firewall when I get home to confirm whether or not I have one. 𝟐𝟎𝟐𝟏 𝐃𝐞𝐟𝐞𝐧𝐝𝐞𝐫 𝟏𝟏𝟎 𝐒 𝐏𝟑𝟎𝟎 (Pangea Green over Acorn/Lunar) 𝟐𝟎𝟐𝟑 𝐏𝐨𝐫𝐬𝐜𝐡𝐞 𝐌𝐚𝐜𝐚𝐧 𝐒 (Dolomite Silver over Black/Bordeaux Red) 𝟐𝟎𝟏𝟕 𝐃𝐢𝐬𝐜𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐲 𝐇𝐒𝐄 𝐋𝐮𝐱𝐮𝐫𝐲 𝐒𝐢𝟔 (Aintree Green over Vintage Tan/Ebony) - Gone 𝟐𝟎𝟏𝟏 𝐋𝐑𝟒 𝐇𝐒𝐄 𝟓.𝟎 (Ipanema Sand over Almond/Arabica) - Gone |
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12th Sep 2024 4:55pm |
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sasa Member Since: 05 Mar 2024 Location: ceska lipa Posts: 52 |
hi, if you turned off the fake engine sound did you notice any difference? Did it help? I have a 3.0D and I'm not sure, maybe only under more engine throttle
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23rd Sep 2024 3:49pm |
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lightning Member Since: 23 Apr 2009 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2859 |
Don't worry, it's quite an interesting read! l think we figured out early on in the thread that fitting a subwoofer to a Defender that didn't come with one, was not straightforward and couldn't easily be done. |
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25th Sep 2024 7:49pm |
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Dammitdeano Member Since: 07 Nov 2023 Location: Brisbane Posts: 13 |
EUCD-121 Subwoofer Subwoofer |
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29th Oct 2024 10:46am |
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