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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4636  
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I am sure Ineos were full of good intentions...then the accountants got involved! 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
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31st Jul 2024 4:12pm |
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| Zed Member Since: 07 Oct 2017 Location: In the woods Posts: 3245  
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I saw that. BBS wheels have filed as well. I’m sure both will be revived but it’s not great news. WARNING. This post may contain sarcasm. |
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1st Aug 2024 11:17am |
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| familymad Member Since: 13 Dec 2011 Location: Bucks Posts: 3479  
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https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-car...-grenadier
Oh dear 1951 80" S1 2.0 1995 110 300TDI 1995 90 300TDI |
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2nd Aug 2024 8:57am |
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| familymad Member Since: 13 Dec 2011 Location: Bucks Posts: 3479
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Defo needs to be more expensive 1951 80" S1 2.0
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2nd Aug 2024 8:57am |
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| Oswiperus Member Since: 12 Aug 2020 Location: Chelmsford Posts: 47
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Perhaps they are starting to realise that LR made the right decision when they produced the new Defender.
I still commend them for producing the Grenadier but it was always going to be a niche vehicle and difficult to make a profit from. 110 D300 SE Tasman blue |
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2nd Aug 2024 9:38am |
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| familymad Member Since: 13 Dec 2011 Location: Bucks Posts: 3479
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I’m thinking of grabbing a 130 outbound instead. Not sure how long they might stay in the UK market now. 1951 80" S1 2.0
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2nd Aug 2024 9:47am |
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| piechipsandpeas Member Since: 12 May 2021 Location: Albany, Western Australia Posts: 207  
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"The main feedback from dealers is that the Grenadier is too cheap – it needs to be more expensive" 
I don't remember saying that when I went to look at one. |
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2nd Aug 2024 10:56am |
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| Chicken Drumstick Member Since: 17 Aug 2020 Location: Near MK Posts: 707
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In the U.K. and anti car EU yes very limited scope. Will be interesting to see how Oz, N America and SA sales fair. Much more car friendly places on the whole and much bigger markets for the sort of vehicle the Grenadier is. As for LR making the right decision. Personally still not so sure. They have no halo model and literally no presence in certain market segments in places such as the USA or Australia. Jeep/Ford sell 400,000 - 500,000 Wranglers/Broncos combined a year in N America alone. Even a tiny slice of that action would be large volume for JLR. But they aren’t even in the game and don’t compete with either of these vehicles. What JLR did was build a very stylised Discovery model and simply market it as a Defender. This takes nothing from the vehicle. It is a good vehicle in its own right and a I like and have owned Discovery’s. They built a general purpose SUV that fitted the market well, just look at how successful the D3 and D4 models had been. And the new Defender has sold well. But if you look at the sales data. It has been at the expensive of a good proportion of Range Rover Sport sales and has massacre Discovery 5 sales to the point that JLR want to drop the model. So, I’d suggest that the success of the new Defender is somewhat unclear in the wider picture. And we haven’t even mentioned LR having no model with any heritage any longer. While Jeep, Ford, Toyota, Mercedes, Suzuki and others have all managed to retain this. A Rose by any other name may still smell as sweet. But calling an onion a rose won’t make it smell like one. |
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2nd Aug 2024 11:45am |
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| Ianh Member Since: 17 Sep 2018 Location: Essex Posts: 1971
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I think Ineos are now painted into a corner.
If they were able to purchase the rights to the 316 defender from LR then they could have made an incredibly well engineered and constructed vehicle with iconic looks and history. This would have given them the opportunity to go for a volume market, in the way the new mini and the new fiat 500 did, and leave them room to produce the ultimate top end version of the vehicle in the way Mercedes have done with the G wagon. That’s probably why JLR did not sell those rights. However what they have produced is a well engineered and constructed ugly vehicle with no nods to anything iconic and zero history. They really are kidding themselves if they think they will take market share from the G wagon, new defender, Range Rover etc markets by increasing the price of the Grenadier. It’s a real shame as I applaud their initial aspiration and price point. However the quality engineering at low volume has a high price point and the stying at the front is terrible, as are the rear lights. This has left Ineos in no mans land with no where to go. If JLR fancied getting back into the old defender market they could wait for Ineos to go bust, which I think they will. Then buy them at a fire sale price, modify the styling to match the iconic 316 defender and relaunch. A fantasy that will never come true, but I live in hope.  |
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2nd Aug 2024 11:52am |
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| Moo Member Since: 01 Oct 2021 Location: UK Posts: 1330 
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I'm looking at a Grenadier next week. I like my Defender, but hate the small boot and side opening rear door.
Having had Discovery 3 & 4s since 2005, the Defender is not their replacement from a functionality and usability perspective, the alternative of the D5 is worse though. How they got that so wrong is beyond me. 
The Grenadier may or may not be an improvement, but I need to tick it off my list. I still have a deposit on a Landcruiser but it's only a four pot. One of my concerns with the Grenadier is longevity and depreciation. There are some really low mileage, 6 month old cars on the market now at really good prices. This doesn't suggest to me that moving up market is the solution. I certainly won't be telling the dealer it's too cheap! Eiger Grey MY23 D250 SE with bits. Known as Noddy. |
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2nd Aug 2024 1:00pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17311 
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Now this I like a lot!
 Click image to enlarge (Grenadier with portal axle conversion, from the article at https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-car...-grenadier ) More here: |
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2nd Aug 2024 1:37pm |
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| Chicken Drumstick Member Since: 17 Aug 2020 Location: Near MK Posts: 707
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Personally like how they look. Don’t have a single issue with the visuals. One of the best looking cars on sale today anywhere IMO and lots of clear influence in the design, so I’m not sure how you can say no nods to anything. As a brand new car maker clearly they will have no history of their own. But we also don’t need Sherlock Holmes to figure this out either. It is rather obvious. I do agree that the market they were aiming at is not the same any longer in the U.K. This it will force a rethink. But I highly doubt they ever went into this venture planning on global domination and top selling mass market offerings. As for G-Wagon. Well looking at some stats Merc only sells 7000-10,000 a year of them in the USA and in Europe around 6000-8000 a year. Not exactly huge numbers. If Ineos could hit 20-25% of the G-Wagon sales that would probably be quite a success given the markup on such a model. |
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2nd Aug 2024 3:16pm |
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| Jerry Member Since: 13 Nov 2015 Location: Cardiff Posts: 193 
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Yes I agree. Looks great. I hope it becomes available in the UK (& road legal) at a reasonable price- unlikely I suspect. But I would be tempted if it was. |
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2nd Aug 2024 7:30pm |
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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4636
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Looks to have very good ground clearance. I think I would rather take something like this off road than something built without a separate chassis and depending on electronics to control wheel spin etc. Ground clearance and wheel travel would be a deciding factor for me. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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2nd Aug 2024 8:11pm |
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