↓ Advertise on Defender2 ↓

Home > Puma (Tdci) > 2.2 Puma TDCi Overheating and Coolant Depletion
Post Reply  Down to end
Page 1 of 2 12>
Print this entire topic · 
LRNewbie



Member Since: 08 Jan 2021
Location: Berkshire
Posts: 26

United Kingdom 2013 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 SW Firenze Red
2.2 Puma TDCi Overheating and Coolant Depletion
Hello All

On a recent journey after less than 20 minutes my LR temperature went off the charts and power was cut. Easing off the the throttle brought the temperature back down and restored power, however, further application of power resulted in temperature going off the chart again.

Having limped home checked the coolant header tank to find it was empty. Refilled and took the car for test run - same outcome.

I checked my oil and cannot find any water or white deposits. Neither can I find any apparent leaks despite going underneath.

The engine is blowing more smoke and smells hot - exhaust smoke is grey in nature and there was a little fluid in the tail pipe but I believe this may be from condensation.

I do not wish to drive the vehicle further so will look to specialist to evaluate issue - possible pressure test the coolant system?

Will it need a vaccum refill using specialist equipment?

If anyone has experienced similar and can point to potential or probale cause I would be most grateful for
responses?

Your help much appreciated!

Kind Regards - David
Post #1013192 30th Oct 2023 12:32pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
Ianh



Member Since: 17 Sep 2018
Location: Essex
Posts: 2031

United Kingdom 
Unfortunately it’s likely to be the EGR cooler leaking or a failed head gasket.

A specialist will be able to do do several tests but I suspect it’s failed head gasket.
Post #1013193 30th Oct 2023 12:43pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
LRNewbie



Member Since: 08 Jan 2021
Location: Berkshire
Posts: 26

United Kingdom 2013 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 SW Firenze Red
Many thanks Ian

I suspected it could be the head gasket - sounds expenive Big Cry

Regards - David
Post #1013194 30th Oct 2023 1:04pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
Ianh



Member Since: 17 Sep 2018
Location: Essex
Posts: 2031

United Kingdom 
Definitely get them to temp bypass the EGR cooler by removing the coolant hoses that go in and out of the EGR cooler and joining them together as a first test. The failure of the EGR cooler is a known problem with the 2.2 and the issue you have can be misdiagnosed as a HG failure.

If you search the net for “ IRB egr cooler” you will see a Facebook post and video of the issue from IRB developments, a site sponsor on here.

https://www.facebook.com/IRBdevelopments/videos/260938591089960/

If it is the EGR cooler then it’s a significantly easier and lower cost issue to address so well worth testing that first.


Last edited by Ianh on 30th Oct 2023 1:29pm. Edited 1 time in total
Post #1013196 30th Oct 2023 1:17pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
LRNewbie



Member Since: 08 Jan 2021
Location: Berkshire
Posts: 26

United Kingdom 2013 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 SW Firenze Red
Will do Ian - thanks for the insight.

I have not had any problems with the LR other than a worn Intercooler so fingers crossed it is not the Head Gasket.

David
Post #1013198 30th Oct 2023 1:28pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
Ianh



Member Since: 17 Sep 2018
Location: Essex
Posts: 2031

United Kingdom 
Hopefully it’s just the EGR cooler 🤞

The intercooler splitting at the crimped seam is a common issue on the 2.4 and 2.2 so not unusual. Mine split at circa 60k miles so replaced with a BAS IC which should outlast the rest of the vehicle as it’s so well made.
Post #1013199 30th Oct 2023 1:34pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
LRNewbie



Member Since: 08 Jan 2021
Location: Berkshire
Posts: 26

United Kingdom 2013 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 SW Firenze Red
An update after numerous tests, and ruling out the EGR, diagnosed as Cylinder Head Gasket.

David
Post #1016640 28th Nov 2023 5:20pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
Ianh



Member Since: 17 Sep 2018
Location: Essex
Posts: 2031

United Kingdom 
Sorry to hear that David, there have been several posts regarding HG failure on the 2.4 over the last few months, if I recall correctly yours is the first 2.2, but that may be because of mileage / age of the older 2.4’s.

Hope the quote for the work is reasonable and all goes well.

If you are unsure about the cost of doing the HG post quote on here and experts can provide advice.. noting ford transit specialists no doubt do a lot of these so may be more competitive on pricing.
Post #1016642 28th Nov 2023 5:59pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
BaronDefenders



Member Since: 28 Jun 2019
Location: London/Cotswolds
Posts: 898

United Kingdom 2004 Defender 90 Td5 CSW Santorini Black
Our 2.2’s head gasket recently went, so I know your pain. The cause, in my instance, was the catastrophic failure of the EGR cooler. Charlie

1949 Series 1 80 (SOLD)
2002 Td5 90 (SOLD)
2008 Freelander 2 (SOLD)

1958 Series 2 88 Pastel Green (2019 LR Legends Best Restored)
1983 V8 110 Limestone (Previously owned by Tom Sheppard MBE)
2004 Td5 90 Santorini Black (Td5INSIDE Powered & Rebuilt by CSK)
2012 Puma 110 Zermatt Silver (Overlanding Build)

Instagram: @BaronDefenders
Post #1016643 28th Nov 2023 6:01pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
LRNewbie



Member Since: 08 Jan 2021
Location: Berkshire
Posts: 26

United Kingdom 2013 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 SW Firenze Red
Thanks Ian & Charlie - as with most repairs it is the labour quoted at 15 hours that constitutes 75% of the overall price.

Today was the first day in the Garage so fingers crossed may have her back for the weekend.

Best Wishes

David
Post #1016645 28th Nov 2023 6:24pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
BrickBox



Member Since: 05 Oct 2021
Location: Wales
Posts: 838

Wales 2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Zermatt Silver
Just to throw another option also. Have you checked to see if the expansion bottle has cracked? 2008 2.4 110 Utility Station Wagon XS.
Post #1016646 28th Nov 2023 6:30pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
LRNewbie



Member Since: 08 Jan 2021
Location: Berkshire
Posts: 26

United Kingdom 2013 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 SW Firenze Red
I believe the expansion tank has been checked and ruled out but no harm requesting further confirmation. Many Thanks!
Post #1016660 28th Nov 2023 9:13pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
cd110



Member Since: 21 Aug 2023
Location: Surrey
Posts: 23

United Kingdom 2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Corris Grey
LRNewbie wrote:
Thanks Ian & Charlie - as with most repairs it is the labour quoted at 15 hours that constitutes 75% of the overall price.

Today was the first day in the Garage so fingers crossed may have her back for the weekend.

Best Wishes

David


Can I ask what garage you used? I'm currently losing coolant on my 2.2 (not much, maybe only a dropping by 1cm on the expansion tank every 100 miles or so).
Post #1016969 1st Dec 2023 10:42am
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
Ianh



Member Since: 17 Sep 2018
Location: Essex
Posts: 2031

United Kingdom 
^^^^^^^^^^
Have a look at your heater valve first, when on hot a faulty one can have a slight leak / drip.

Next place to look is the radiator, nearside from inside the engine bay, you can get a slight leak on the radiator and a tell tale orange / red stain highlighting it.

Both are not expensive or that hard to replace.
Post #1016990 1st Dec 2023 12:12pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
LRNewbie



Member Since: 08 Jan 2021
Location: Berkshire
Posts: 26

United Kingdom 2013 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 SW Firenze Red
[/quote]

Can I ask what garage you used? I'm currently losing coolant on my 2.2 (not much, maybe only a dropping by 1cm on the expansion tank every 100 miles or so).[/quote]

I am using J&M Automotive in Taplow.

Regards - David
Post #1016996 1st Dec 2023 12:45pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
Post Reply  Back to top
Page 1 of 2 12>
All times are GMT

Jump to  
Previous Topic | Next Topic >
Posting Rules
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum



Site Copyright © 2006-2024 Futuranet Ltd & Martin Lewis
DEFENDER2.NET RSS Feed - All Forums