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jbcollier



Member Since: 29 Apr 2024
Location: Edmonton AB
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Canada 2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Alpine White
I bought the car with 101K kms on it. It had a clunk and a "too much freeplay", vibratory howl on/off throttle at speed. I drive in extreme winter conditions so I fit 3 ATB diffs (front/rear/centre), new clutch, and a LOF adapter shaft. I also replaced all from axle flanges with heavy duty ones and fit uprated rear shafts.

The clunk is gone and the vibratory howl is 99.9% gone. Dunno what the culprit was as I did the work for other reasons.
Post #1056246 3rd Jan 2025 8:37pm
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Landowner



Member Since: 06 Jan 2023
Location: Somerset
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United Kingdom 2012 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 HT Keswick Green
Definitely the rear diff. 2-pin diffs famous for it, Pinions wearing an oval their housing.Dangerous if left, can lock the diff as speed.
Post #1056255 3rd Jan 2025 9:03pm
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blackwolf



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
It won't be a 2-gear diff on the rear of a 110 unless it's been replaced by a nincompoop in the past. It is very probably a 2-gear Rover type diff in the front however.
Post #1056266 3rd Jan 2025 10:28pm
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Landowner



Member Since: 06 Jan 2023
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United Kingdom 2012 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 HT Keswick Green
Ah, very true, I missed that point.
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Oldowner



Member Since: 26 Dec 2018
Location: South west
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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 HT Aintree Green
Re: Diff Clunk!
blackwolf wrote:
Kevzeboy wrote:
... Ashcroft website say there can be a friction welding issue with the type of diff? ...


Crossed wires here, I think. There is a welding issue with TDCi front axles, well documented here on the forum, but this has nothing to do with the rear diff. There are no welded parts in the rear diff, and I cannot find any mention of any issue regarding the rear diff on the website.

Kevzeboy wrote:
... I have never rebuilt a diff, but all I have read seems straight forward for a reasonable home mechanic? Is this the case? (They are the short rover diff on the 110’s. Same as the P38, I have been told?) ...


The rear diff in a 110 is (or at least should be) a four-gear P38 "short nose" diff. It is a very rudimentary diff and not complex, but the short length of the pinion shaft can result in (relatively) rapid pinion bearing wear.

Adjusting the backlash in these diffs (and the Rover type diffs as found inter alia in the front axle) is very simple and requires little skill, however you will either need to use guesswork (aka "common sense") or obtain a dial gauge with suitable mount, and some means of measuring the diff carrier bearing preload.

If you need to replace the pinion bearings the job becomes more complicated and the special tools required increase since you will ideally need to measure the pinion "height" (i.e., how far the pinion protrudes into the pinion housing), which is adjusted by selective shimming, and the pinion bearing preload, also adjusted by selective shimming. There is nothing particularly difficult about this but it does require some precision measuring instruments and a certain understanding of the principles involved.

On a vehicle which has seen as little use as yours it is unlikely that there is any problem with the pinion bearings and it is probable that all you would need to do is to adjust the backlash between the pinion and crownwheel.


Also likely to be wear in the carrier from the planetary gears imbedding themselves into the carrier as I don’t think the budget 4pin rear has thrust washers - it doesn’t take too much prolonged wheelspin to start wearing the carrier which is the usual cause of wear related clunk from the diff centre itself.
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custom90



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Wheelspin then suddenly gaining traction, is a good way of busting a halfshaft too. No Guts, No Glory.
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