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Disneysland



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Photo of my front axle. Is this ok?
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Disneysland



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Picture didn’t upload first time due my incompetence 🙄

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Post #1033062 27th Apr 2024 5:05pm
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htb2



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Friction weld, its OK.
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Disneysland



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Thank you. 👍🏼
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jim4244



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Hi all

Has anyone got a photo they can share of the ones that we should be concerned about?

Jim
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Dinnu



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Go to page 2 of this thread, I posted a picture from my axle after fitting the catch brackets.

The affected axles are mig welded, and you will see a bead of weld around the axle flange, similar to the transverse weld.
Note 1. The transverse weld has always been mig welded
Note 2. The latest mig welded swivel flange are mig welded still, but are ok. There is no way to distinguish between an affected and an ok mig welded swivel flange axle if already out of a vehicle. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black
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jim4244



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Thanks Dinnu Thumbs Up

Jim
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jim4244



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Sorry for my ignorance, I take it that a friction weld it the method used in the photo below that is circled in red? If your axle looks like this then your vehicle is not part of the N706 recall?



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Jim
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Devon-Rover



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That is correct.

The friction welded axles are fine and not subject to the recall, as it has been alluded to previously of JLR's inability to understand the mantra of "if it ain't broke don't fix it" Rolling Eyes Also can be found on Fb, Ytube, Insta & Twitter @4WDSouthwest
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TexasRover



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I am sure LR regrets the decision to move away from friction welding, but 100% sure this was cost driven based on what suppliers were offering on the market.

'Normal' arch welding is perfectly suitable for this application, but if you keep seeking the bottom of the barrel with cost being a main driver (like many businesses are ran nowadays), you will find quality issues with welds being poorly controlled and failures happening.

Although I can see this being stressful for many, old perfectly fine complete axles are still plentiful and easy to overhaul with quality parts and then easily swapped out. As problems go you can get rid of this one if you are a bit of a hands on defender enthusiast.

I still have a 1996 vintage front axle in bits in my shed in France (Paris) available. With some new parts it be totally fine.
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blackwolf



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I am reasonably sure that LR doesn't give the proverbial pig's burp about the matter. It may be a minor irritation but so far has been financially insignificant.

The switch from friction to MIG was supposedly made because the FW machine was life expired, and had the MIG been done correctly there would not have been an issue at all. As far as I know the axle cases were not and have never been bought-in, they have always been manufactured by JLR.
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trevorg



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This is the weld on mine with the bracket fitted.

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Post #1033195 28th Apr 2024 9:10pm
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Dibble04



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Opinions required on recall carried out
Just had my N706 recall carried out by my local Land Rover dealer.
I've taken a couple of pictures and would appreciate opinions on the quality of work undertaken.
On the passenger side, the new casting is in metal to metal contact with the suspension radius arm.
On the drivers side, there is some cracking to the chassis weld above the casting/radius arm.
It just doesn't seem right to me....any thoughts?


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Dinnu



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Thats more of a radius arm bush problem and not workmanship issue.
During the installation of the brackets they only remove the nut from that bolt. The bolt is not removed.

I would attend to that crack, also not related to the bracket install. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black
Post #1059777 7th Feb 2025 9:51am
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Dibble04



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Thanks,
I accept it may be a bush issue (thanks for that) but surely a reputable garage would have pointed that out and asked me if I wanted it fixed. The car is in for its MOT today and it is likely to fail on the metal to metal issue. On that basis, the dealer has released an unsafe car to me without any mention of it!
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