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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11324  
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EPB is Electronic Park Brake or 'handbrake' in old money.
You can apply the handbrake independently of the transmission brake (P or Park) but if you apply the latter then it automatically applies the former. Darren 110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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3rd Jul 2023 12:32pm |
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| Retroanaconda Member Since: 04 Jan 2012 Location: Scotland Posts: 2645 
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There is no warning light for the ‘transmission brake’ (i.e. being in park) - the red light with the P is just for the EPB. If the transmission is in park it will say P in white on the dash which is your indicator for that. If you manually put the car in neutral and then manually apply the EPB you’ll get that warning, to remind you it’s not in park.
In practice the car is either in park, drive or reverse (unless using manual mode), neutral is not used much. As such the EPB operation is entirely automatic and required no input from the driver. The only time I use neutral is when engaging low range, at which point your foot is on the foot brake. |
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3rd Jul 2023 1:17pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17378 
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I can't help but think it was so much simpler in the old days. A handbrake lever and a transmission selector, entirely separate and entirely under the control of the driver.
Strangely most (but admittedly by no means all) drivers seemed to cope with the "complexity" back then without any form of help, and it was also possible to release the brakes and transmission locks without power if you had to push the vehicle, for example if the built in Lucas "Prince of Darkness" gremlins struck in a live lane. Oh, the good old days*. Life was so much simpler then! * The days when "intermittent wipe" just meant that more often than not the wipers didn't work. |
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3rd Jul 2023 1:35pm |
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| lightning Member Since: 23 Apr 2009 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2763
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Yes my old Defender TD5
Great big handbrake lever with a warning light that sometimes worked and sometimes didn't. But it always held the vehicle (except when oil leaked in to the handbrake drum) Or if one wheel was on ice, in which case you needed to leave it in gear and engage the differential lock, which wouldn't always go in unless you started the engine and moved it a bit. There was a light in the dash for that too. |
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3rd Jul 2023 2:32pm |
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| medallionno3 Member Since: 11 Mar 2023 Location: England Posts: 24
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It’s actually very simple
I’d you put the gearbox into park it engages the park pawl in the transmission and the electric park brake If you apply the electric park brake only it does just that - there are use cases where you may want this on but vehicle in Drive such as on steep hills off roading If you apply electric park brake but don’t out transmission on P you will get a warning if you try to exit the vehicle as the vehicle is on Drive |
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3rd Jul 2023 8:10pm |
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| lightning Member Since: 23 Apr 2009 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2763
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Or neutral?
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4th Jul 2023 4:55pm |
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| Cheshire110 Member Since: 26 Jul 2013 Location: Cheshire/London Posts: 2754
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indeed, it won't let you leave the car in neutral (even if the EPB is on) unless you are very creative
I needed to tow myself out of a mild off-road pickle on my own and ended up having to put the car in neutral and disengage the handbrake through the window Cheers, David Land Rovers of all shapes S3 onwards… Daily is a 110 V8. |
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4th Jul 2023 7:46pm |
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| lightning Member Since: 23 Apr 2009 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2763
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l suppose on most circumstances that is a good thing. But in over 150,000 miles of old Defender driving l never once forgot to leave the vehicle securely parked. As in handbrake on, transmission in gear if necessary.
lt's just common sense. But when everything is automated l suppose people expect it. |
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5th Jul 2023 7:05am |
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| lightning Member Since: 23 Apr 2009 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2763
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Our 2020 Jimny is a lesson in how it should be done.
Four positions on the headlight stalk, which is an actual switch, so it stays in the position it's set to. Don't want auto headlights? Set to "off" Off (DRL's on) Auto On (sidelights) Headlights on All the lights are LED (and the headlights are superb) except the DRL's which are ordinary bulbs. So, as they are always on if you eventually get a failure the cost to replace is £3 for a bulb. |
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5th Jul 2023 6:43pm |
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| XplusYplusZ Member Since: 16 Aug 2021 Location: UK Posts: 484 |
...I just press the "off" button...
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10th Jul 2023 1:12pm |
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| lightning Member Since: 23 Apr 2009 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2763
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But then it turns itself back on
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10th Jul 2023 8:28pm |
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| XplusYplusZ Member Since: 16 Aug 2021 Location: UK Posts: 484 |
I double and then triple checked yesterday... but am still super paranoid..
It seems that I can pull into a parking spot, stop using the footbrake, press 'OFF', and it changes the gear to 'P' and applies the ((P)) Handbrake and turns the engine off. It doesn't ping, pong or complain... I don't know if the difference is that I have the 'autohold' feature enabled and you guys dont? |
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14th Jul 2023 3:37pm |
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| Retroanaconda Member Since: 04 Jan 2012 Location: Scotland Posts: 2645
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Auto hold just applies the foot brake when you stop, it’s not related to the parking brake. It’s on every vehicle - though most turn it off as it is very annoying.
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14th Jul 2023 4:23pm |
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| lightning Member Since: 23 Apr 2009 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2763
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l am in the minority in liking the "Auto hold"
The only time it can be a pain, is in slow moving stop/start traffic. At all other times l think it's great. |
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14th Jul 2023 6:13pm |
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