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macfrank



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I can't find the reference anymore, it was a tech spec page, but in my notes it says 2.4L from dry and 2.2L refill.
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Pacha



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This one?

2.4 litrs from dry, 2.2 as a oil change.


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 Rgds.

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that's the one Thumbs Up
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Those are the numbers I remember.
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I placed a picture from my 2.2 manual on page 10 of this thread:
https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic8707-135.html 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
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Haynes Owners Workshop Manual
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Transmission (Main Gearbox) oil renewal
Unscrew the Drain Plug... allow the oil to drain...
Unscrew the Filler/Level Plug...
Fill the Gearbox... until the oil flows from the Filler/Level Plug hole...


Capacities
Main Gearbox: MT82 6 speed... 2.20 litres SKIP
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Pacha



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Quote:
Haynes Owners Workshop Manual
Land Rover Defender 2007 - 2016

Transmission (Main Gearbox) oil renewal
Unscrew the Drain Plug... allow the oil to drain...
Unscrew the Filler/Level Plug...
Fill the Gearbox... until the oil flows from the Filler/Level Plug hole...

Capacities
Main Gearbox: MT82 6 speed... 2.20 litres


Good old Haynes, can't even get the sequence of plug removal correct....... Rgds.

Chris
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Hello Pacha

and we have a new name the... Filler/Level Plug
the irony is this is exactly what it should be,
were Ford designing in 'flexibility'... Question SKIP
https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic83242.html
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Ianh wrote:
It is odd, but in the owners manual for the 2.4 on fluid change it states 2.2 L, yet in the owners manual for the 2.2 it states 2.4L for fluid change. Plus I did the first gearbox oil change on my 2.2, measured the drained fluid, and it was exactly 2.4 litres !

Also in the mustang gearbox manual it states 2.6L !


My workshop manual states 2.4l for initial fill and 2.2l for service fill. The workshop manual does not state that you have to only put a maximum of 2.2l in. The volumes quoted could be just so know how much you'll need before you start.

The Mustang could be different because of a different ratio set inside the box taking up a different volume.
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I pretty sure for the 2.4 what they mean by dry fill is the first time a new or refurbished gearbox is fitted you fill with 2.4L, then subsequently when you do an oil change you refill with 2.2L.

In the 2.2 owners manual they do not mention dry fill, only a refill figure of 2.4L.

They also state this is the capacity, not the minimum.
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The engine in the Puma is at a slope so the gearbox is at a slope as well. If everything was level you could fill to the bottom of the filler plug but if you do that it will overfill and there is a chance of over heating the gearbox. That is what a mechanic told me when it was getting serviced. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
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macfrank



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X4SKP wrote:
Dinnu wrote:
Those are very clear answers. I have used the “Not the fill plug” to re fill by box. It does look like a plug, and had no ill effects.

Interestingly, the “Not the fill plug” does not seem to show in this diagram: https://www.defender2.net/gallery/albums/u...%2BP32.pdf

Part #4, a shift fork pivot is right next to it though, and can be see in the picture in the 2nd post, but uses a larger size LN key.

Perhaps the “Not the fill plug” was an addition while the manuals guy was on vacation.


Hello Dinnu

You are right I believe... I spoke to my Independent about this today...
(as I was there at the Parts Counter, stocking up on Service Items)

The Not the Fill Plug looks to be exactly the same as the (genuine) Fill Plug T50 or H8 and is the same depth Casing Screw... I pondered over this 'arrangement' when undertaking the 1st All Oils Change on my 90... The MT82 Workshop Manual pointed me in the right direction.

The Set Screw 'next door' is Hex H12 Screw...and appears to be internal pivot point...
so leave well alone Shocked


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I know Land Rover 'inherited' this arrangement from Ford but it is somewhat confusing...
Why didn't Ford just add relief Casing Graphics saying Fill Point at the spot they identify
in the workshop manual... Question

My Independent confirmed either (Not the Fill Plug or Fill Plug) can be used
but be sure not to disturb the Pivot Points... Shocked

As for the differing Service Oil Fills recommended, the only thought I have... is if this is the result of differing internal Gears / Mechanisms 'taking up' more or less internal volume and there by requiring the adjustment the Oil Volume to achieve a 'balanced' operational working temperature and pressure within the Gearbox... just a thought.


Just to say 'thank you' for this discussion. I've just had the gearbox oil changed at "my indie" and I thought they had screwed up (pun intended Wink ) because from the dirt I could telll they used the "not the fill plug". But then I remembered this thread. So all's fine. Very Happy
Also, the "not the fill plug" is easier to get to, I think.
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blackwolf wrote:
The biggest risk in removing the wrong thing to fill the box arises from the fact that most of the things that resemble plugs are in fact the pivots for the selector forks inside the box. There is no guarantee if you remove one of these unintentionally that you will be able to get it back in if the selector fork moves, and that probably means a gearbox strip-down.

All the selector fork pivots are symmetrical on both sides of the box, which does make it a bit easier to figure out if it is a pivot or not. They are items 3 and 5, 4 and 6, and 7 and 8 in the diagram linked below. The drain plug is item 1, the filler plug is item 2.

https://www.defender2.net/gallery/albums/u...%2BP32.pdf

Since the MT82 in the Defender is a measured-quantity fill, not a fill-to-overflow type, it doesn't really matter where you put the oil in provided that (a) you put in the right amount and (b) you don't do irreparable damage in the process.


Hmm - I may have filled my gearbox using the "DEFINITELY not the f**king fill plug" number 8 "RH reverse shift fork pivot bolt".

Anyway it went back in fine and gearbox works fine. Have I got away with it?!

I remember the plug being weirdly long (facepalm) and it was definitely a 12mm allen key head.
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As long as it went back in and you can still engage all the gears (although not all at the same time - that would indicate a detent fault) and there are no coffee-grinder noises coming from the box, I'd say that you have got away with it.

It really is remarkable just how hard Ford and LR between them have made this simple task. It is also interesting to note that in the diagram I posted earlier in the thread there word "FILL" is clearly shown cast into the gearbox casing adjacent to the "definitely the right filler plug" plug, but this helpful feature is not present on any MT82 I have ever seen. Sad
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blackwolf Laughing Expert advice in easy-to-understand layman's terms.

Lucky that pivot bolt is not of the kind you unscrew and then hear a spring uncoil or a part falling down... Mr. Green
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