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blackwolf



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Yes, I've met a fair few of those in my time. Laughing

The MT82 has rather a lot of inviting-looking things on the outside which you are really much better off not unscrewing! Rolling with laughter
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EK7



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Thanks to all for a very helpful thread… A New member too, based in Oz. I find all the info on Defender2.Net super helpful Thumbs Up

I too have inadvertently used the “Not the Fill Plug” after following a YouTube video which clearly showed that it WAS the fill plug! Shocked ...So it must be very common practice.

…Just to be sure, is it definitely the consensus that either the “Fill Plug” OR the “Not the Fill Plug” can be used to refill the 2.2l of Transmission oil in the Defender MT82 gearbox?

If the “Not the Fill Plug” is used, will the oil definitely flow where it should go throughout the gearbox?

Or should I drain it and refill using the official “Fill Plug”?
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There is only one place for the oil inside the MT82, so however you get it there it will be in the right place. The risk when using any of the "not the fill plugs" is that things come adrift inside the box which cannot be put back where they should be without a full strip down. For that reason it is advisable to spend a little extra time and trouble to identify the "this really is the fill plug" plug before you start.

There is certainly no need to drain and refill because the oil when in through the wrong hole.
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andy63



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I keep having a chuckle here... I've had my truck nearly two years.. I did all the oils when I got it so I knew where I was..
I think I just filled to the plug levels.. That's what I was used to doing with other vehicles I've had..
Couple months back I did the clutch and drained the two boxes..but kept the oil..
When I came to refill them I think I had nearly 2 litres spare😳😂..
By then I had through forums like this an idea that the gearbox could be overfilled so the right quantity was used to refill.. 👍🤣
The daft thing is I didn't developed any leaks or see any obvious signs that I'd dropped a Censored ..
But after everything went back in I now have a leak from either the gearbox output seal or the transfare input seal😩.. That and a crankshaft oil seal all have to be revisited😢
But the help and information available on the forum from folk who know these trucks so well is much appreciated.. Thanks👍
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EK7



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blackwolf wrote:
There is only one place for the oil inside the MT82, so however you get it there it will be in the right place. The risk when using any of the "not the fill plugs" is that things come adrift inside the box which cannot be put back where they should be without a full strip down. For that reason it is advisable to spend a little extra time and trouble to identify the "this really is the fill plug" plug before you start.

There is certainly no need to drain and refill because the oil when in through the wrong hole.


Thanks. That’s what I was trying to do by watching the YouTube video! Interestingly the black ‘not the filler plug’ looks exactly the same as the “filler plug” which I have since pulled out and checked. Both 8mm hex too. Whereas all the other plugs which I assume are the structural ones (and which I didn’t touch) are 12mm hex. …With further online research, the number of people on YouTube using the “not filler plug” to refill their gearboxes, it seems like there are two filler plugs in the Defender MT82!? Another Defender quirk? Or communication breakdown between the LR engineers and the workshop manual designers? …Whatever, in future I will use the ‘correct’ filler plug.
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Yannis



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Does anyone have the part numbers for the fill and the not fill bolts. Mine are both on the edge of being rounded….
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Ianh



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The fill and drain plugs are part number LR005008. I’m not sure about the “not the fill plug”.

See part 7 in diagram. https://www.lrworkshop.com/diagrams/land-r...case_45025

Note . I replaced my fill and drain plugs with magnetic ones that have a Hex head. Obviously the fill plug is above the oil level, so the magnet makes no difference. However I used the magnetic drain plug their as the hex head helps when fitting and torquing, plus eases removal and identification for next time and being hex will not round if you use a tight fitting 6 point 13mm socket.

https://foundry4x4.co.uk/index.php?route=p...duct_id=64

Ps. My advice would be to change the fill and drain plugs for the magnetic hex head ones and leave the not the fill plug alone if it is torqued up as it does not seem to serve any “official “ purpose in our application of the MT82. Noting the magnetic hex ones seem cheaper on line than the LR non magnetic ones !
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hornet



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For your information, the MT82 has a built in magnet, additional magnetic screws are not harmful but are of little use. I wish I had placed one in my oil pan when I fitted the oil temperature sensor.

https://up.picr.de/37693550tf.jpg

Number 16 in https://www.lrworkshop.com/de/diagrams/lan...case_45025
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Ianh



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Thanks hornet,
I’m aware there’s a magnet in the gearbox. However having an additional magnet in the drain plug will also catch ferrous materials, allow that material to be removed, and provide a visual indicator on how the gearbox internals are wearing. Plus they are no more expensive than a standard plug and have the hex head. So no downside to using them.
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custom90



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blackwolf wrote:
The drain plug is item 1, the filler plug is item 2.

https://www.defender2.net/gallery/albums/u...%2BP32.pdf


Interesting fact Blackwolf, (thank you as always for posting useful info such as this Very Happy ) just out of curiosity and checking info I had, I had a look at the link above and cross referenced it with the torque settings I had.
The details I had would have came from the WSM for the MT82.

The fill was 35NM, which matches both the info I had and the link.

However, the drain I had listed at 50NM, the link is 35NM.

So in light of that I’ve listed on my notes that I keep for fast accessibility as both being 35NM, which I think is safer. (Perhaps 50NM was stated due to Defender going off road?) but 50 does seem a bit excessive.
There are a lot of discrepancies for sure in the WSM.

Alloy wheel nuts is another, I’ve seen 130nm, to 131nm to 133nm.
I use 133NM, always have but I’ve seen conflicting info a lot. $W33T $0U7H3RN $UG4R
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blackwolf wrote:
X4SKP wrote:
... Didn't know that the 2.4 and 2.2 tdci MT82 had different Service Fills ...


It is hard to understand why this should be so! Confused


Not really, Blackwolf, it's LR. They either cuffed it, or in 2011 they made the bloke who was JLR Gearboxes Head of Dept redundant, (despite his 30+ years of experience and only because he preferred wearing a brown work coat to the LR liveried uniforms), and replaced him with some spotty youth - solely because he was straight out of uni with a MSc in Mechanical Engineering, but who'd never touched gearbox fluid or seen the inside of a gearbox beyond a CAD Drawing.

When asked to check the files by the 'manuals dept' upstairs, said youth discovered that they were handwritten on paper, and not filed in a computer. Unable to cope with this shock, and unwilling to look through a boxed paper filing system (as his priority was leaving on time that evening for a weekend 'foodie' break to Copenhagen which he would share with everyone on Instagram), youth called the previous HOD, and the old boy, tinkering away at home in his workshop, said "it's 2.2 for a 2.4".

Later that afternoon, and whilst prepping for his Long Weekend away, youth typed an email on his smartphone to the equally spotty graduate-entry youth (degree in Fine Arts from York) in 'Manuals', but still foggy minded from the morning's events, and writing one-handed as he waxed his moustache, wrote 'it's 2.4 for a 2.2'.

And, as is the wont of many a youth these days, neither saw fit to 'measure twice and cut once', because the computer would (should?) have surely double checked it for them, no? Hence it went from 2.2 for a 2.4 to 2.4 for a 2.2. Simples. Whistle Monsieur Le Grenadier

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Hmmm... Interesting thread. I just want to run a thought past you all.

The "Not filler plug" appears to be higher up the side of the gear box and the "Filler plug" much lower down.

Could the correct oil filling process be:

*Remove both plugs.
*Drain old gearbox oil and replace sump drain plug.
*Top up with fresh gearbox oil using the higher "Not filler hole"
*When fresh gearbox oil flows out from the lower "Filler hole" stop adding oil
*Replace both filler plugs

I've not changed the oil on a MT82 so and am just trying to figure out why there would be 2 filler plugs?

Obviously the above notional procedure could be for when the gearbox is mounted in a vehicle other than a Defender.

Question - When the 2.2L of fresh oil have been added what's the gap between the oil level and the filler plug hole?

Jim
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jim4244



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...and this from the Ford Mustang owners handbook explaining the MT82 oil filling procedure:

https://www.fordservicecontent.com/Ford_Co...ldtype=web

Jim
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blackwolf



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jim4244 wrote:
Hmmm... Interesting thread. I just want to run a thought past you all.

The "Not filler plug" appears to be higher up the side of the gear box and the "Filler plug" much lower down.

Could the correct oil filling process be:

*Remove both plugs.
*Drain old gearbox oil and replace sump drain plug.
*Top up with fresh gearbox oil using the higher "Not filler hole"
*When fresh gearbox oil flows out from the lower "Filler hole" stop adding oil
*Replace both filler plugs

I've not changed the oil on a MT82 so and am just trying to figure out why there would be 2 filler plugs?

Obviously the above notional procedure could be for when the gearbox is mounted in a vehicle other than a Defender.

Question - When the 2.2L of fresh oil have been added what's the gap between the oil level and the filler plug hole?

Jim


No, because the "filler plug" is not at the right level to be a level plug (you will overfill the box), and neither is the "not the filler plug" (you will massively overfill the box).

Just follow the instructions and all will be well!

Your Ford link doesn't work ("Service Unavailable"), I am not sure why.
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