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| Griff90bowler Member Since: 24 Feb 2021 Location: Cowbridge Posts: 128  
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Placed an order on Friday for a Carpathian edition 90 no idea when it will turn up
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13th Mar 2021 8:05pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018  
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The Land Rover Defender 22MY - Order Guide - V1.0 shows it has having a load rating of 300kg static:  Click image to enlarge Of course this may be a typo. It's interesting to see that the rest of the range has a dynamic load rating that is variable depending on wheelbase and tyre choice. With relation to no roof rails and speed, wouldn't they have just followed the convention set with off road tyres and just set a separate lower top speed? Click image to enlarge |
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14th Mar 2021 9:23am |
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| jon_a5 Member Since: 22 May 2016 Location: England Posts: 44 
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It doesn’t surprise me that there is a static load as the chassis hasn’t changed. I think it’s much more likely related to the stiffer anti roll bars and suspension tuning as they have clearly worked to reduce roll to improve cornering which will lead to topping with 100kg on the roof!
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14th Mar 2021 9:29am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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Given it's the target market, interesting to see how a totally biased website would view it.
"Let’s start with the obvious. With the Land Rover press release proudly boasting about 22” wheels, you can tell people you bought a $110k Defender to off-road, and I won’t stop you, but I absolutely will never believe you. As far as I’m concerned, this is just another contender in the recently invented and already hotly competitive “six-figure Super SUV” segment. And unfortunately for the Land Rover, that puts you square in the sights of the very fast, and very good, X5 M." " The X5 M starts at $105,100 and that puts it right in the middle of the Carpathian and the normal Defender V8. BMW gives you 600 hp and 553 lb-ft of torque from a twin-turbo 4.4-liter V8, over a second faster from 0 to 60 (X5 M: 3.8 seconds, 110 V8 is estimated to be 4.  , and a higher top speed, as the Defender 110 calls it quits at a manufacturer-stated 149 mph. But in all fairness, I’m not sure if any of that really matters.
Most buyers of these vehicles likely will not lose sleep over their 0-60 times or their vehicle’s top speed – and they shouldn’t. The modern onslaught of Super SUVs exists for a reason – people buying these normally value the utility. It’s fast and fun, impresses at meetings, accepted in the office parking lot without much notice, and still handles the green circle off-road trails. Despite the lower power, the Defender will likely be just as competent in all these, and offers an alternative to the typical “BMW, Audi, Mercedes” for those that are looking for a little variety but aren’t quite boring enough to turn to Lexus." " While the Land Rover Defender V8 retains its “rugged outdoorsmen” exterior and “minimalist McDonald’s Play Place” (but admittedly durable) plastic interior, the X5 offers up something else. Think “Terminator in a business suit” appearances with a cabin sporting all the leather of an 80’s night in Texas." " Point is – the choices abound in this segment, and the details start to matter fast. The Defender’s performance lacks not only against the X5 M, but even the $20,000 cheaper X5 M50i – and all of its constituents. Mercedes’ GLC63 and little brother GLC43 both outpace the Defender V8’s 0-60 times. While the AMG G-Wagon is priced out, both it and the bargain-priced Rubicon 392 (MSRP: $75,000) offering from Jeep beat the Defender V8’s acceleration. Also – the 707 hp Jeep Cherokee Trackhawk exists at a mere $90,000." "So – one must ask – who is this for? Well, I guess this is the car for the typical banker, and I meant that in a positive way. While it will be adequate and on-par with the rest of the segment, I’m not sure that the Defender V8 is an important car. It’s neat that Land Rover finally paid an homage to one of their most collectible models. It’s also good that there will be another Super SUV that really separates itself from the usual offerings. But the excitement is dulled by better performance with better brands. Sure, it may be quite collectible in a few years, but it will be coveted by the descendants of the same people that collect air-cooled Porsches chronologically and organize them by VIN and option codes. And does anybody really want to be that anymore?" " Or, you could simply call yourself a stereotype, throw on your Ray-Bans, hop in an X5 M for the same money and burn the tires through an 11-second quarter mile time. Over, and over, and over again, and I wager that you would have quite a bit more fun. As release of the Defender V8 gets closer, I look forward to seeing what kind of real-world performance the car offers and what separates it from its Super SUV brethren – and its legacy." https://www.bmwblog.com/2021/03/13/could-a...-bmw-x5-m/ |
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14th Mar 2021 1:18pm |
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| jon_a5 Member Since: 22 May 2016 Location: England Posts: 44
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What a very strange review! Whilst the X5 M is an exceleent car it's a very odd comparrison to draw. RRS Svr fine compare away but the Defender V8 is all about the last hurrah for one of the best engines around in a totally unique car. If I wanted a boring German car would save £60k and buy a skoda.
Edit just for calirty: I note thats a copy paste from a website don't not directing at you Supacat |
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14th Mar 2021 1:25pm |
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| Philip Member Since: 09 Mar 2018 Location: England Posts: 510
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0-60 times are a peculiarly American obsession.
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14th Mar 2021 1:48pm |
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| jon_a5 Member Since: 22 May 2016 Location: England Posts: 44
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I remember when brocures use to feature actual usful infomation, e.g. power curves 40-60 times etc...
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14th Mar 2021 1:58pm |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5829  
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Agreed. In the second paragraph the author says about price, power, top speed and 0-60 times: 'But in all fairness, I’m not sure if any of that really matters' He (I presume it's a 'he') then spends the rest of the article stating that the DefV8 doesn't cut the mustard on project ce, power, top speed and 0-60 times when compared to all the competition. Very odd.  Monsieur Le Grenadier
I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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14th Mar 2021 6:42pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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It may be an odd comparison, but then what does that say about the current JLR senior management when this is what they say: Click image to enlarge |
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15th Mar 2021 9:50am |
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| Philip Member Since: 09 Mar 2018 Location: England Posts: 510
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They people writing the guff have to identify something as a rival for the sales chat. G63 is the possibly closest I can see (although it’s a lot quicker, a lot more expensive and a lot less sophisticated).
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15th Mar 2021 12:08pm |
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| expatbrit Member Since: 02 Jan 2021 Location: NM Posts: 74 
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Honestly - to me, the V8 makes (business) sense.
Engine design is a sunk cost Chassis design is a sunk cost You can get more out of the two platforms you already have, financially, combining them than for a new platform It's not for me, and I'm sure it'll cannibalise some Range Rover sales; but if it keeps you in the brand rather than going off to a BMW or whatever that seems good for JLR. D110 P300 (now here) -- Pangea Green / white roof / white steelies / Off-road pack / towing pack / cold-weather pack / heated seats and assorted fun odds and sods |
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15th Mar 2021 2:50pm |
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| PCM Member Since: 25 Jan 2019 Location: North East Posts: 874
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It sounds good though.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CMXg3RXFT8-/ |
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15th Mar 2021 5:31pm |
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| Bahnbrenner Member Since: 02 Apr 2021 Location: Seattle Posts: 1 |
I spoke to my local dealer today about ordering a V8 110. I was told that production will be extremely limited, that all dealers are only getting two cars, and that as a result, they’ll be sold for $30,000 above sticker. I’m
In the Pacific Northwest. Dealer is JLR Bellevue. |
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2nd Apr 2021 5:08am |
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| YulongTD6 Member Since: 06 Mar 2021 Location: USA Posts: 27 |
My dealer said something similar around one or two coming in June that we’re pre allocated. Supposedly the are going to be some sort of “launch edition”. Not sure current status but my 90 V8 order was accepted and I’m awaiting build details. I went for the larger screen so expecting delays.
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2nd Apr 2021 5:19am |
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