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Lionel

Member Since: 12 Aug 2008
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 59

10AS settings, Defender 2004 TD5

Hi All,

I'm hoping somebody may be able to assist me with 10AS settings for my Defender TD5 2004. I have a Nanocom Evo which has enabled me to do some setting up of the alarm/immobiliser, which for quite a few years has been "switched off". (Australian Defenders normally, as supplied, seem to have the 10AS programmed as a CDL controller only). I have 3 key remotes which are all programmed in to the 10AS & operative.

As the vehicle is only used for normal on road purposes these days, I decided to activate the alarm/immobiliser, which was generally successful. I am finding that forum information, & also information on Blackbox Solutions for the 10AS is rather confusing, & I can't really find a way (if there is one?) to get the 10AS to do what I would ideally like.

This is:

1. Alarm/active immobiliser turned on when using the plip to lock.
2. Alarm/active immobiliser turned on when using the key alone to lock (no plip), & turned off when unlocked with the key alone.
3. Passive immobiliser not to activate when the vehicle is left unlocked for more than 30mins.
4. In an emergency I would like to be able to use the EKA procedure to start the engine if it is in an immobilised state.

I am aware that the ARM ON LOCK setting in the Nanocom controls whether the immobiliser activates, but it also seems to prevent the alarm as well, which is not what I want. It seems to be "all or nothing", & this is is what puzzles me.

The current Nanocom 10AS settings for my vehicle are:

Parameter VALUE
Time Error NONE
Comms SMART
Interior Light SMART
Welcome Light ENABLED
Arm/Disarm Flash HAZARD
Arm/Disarm Confirm HAZARD
Arm on Lock ENABLED
Resync on Arm ENABLED
Relock ENABLED
Mislock NOTED
Mislock Noise ENABLED
Resync on Lock ENABLED
Plip Immobilize ENABLED
Plip Relock DISABLED
Key Mobilize ENABLED
Passive Immobilize DISABLED
Key Disarm ENABLED
C.D.L. When ARM NONE
Flash on Alarm HAZARD
Alarm Sound PULSED
Time Sync. USED
Low Battery Error ENABLED
Battery Error USE COUNT
Tamper Warn YES
Cat. Overheat DISABLED
Mems Failure Indic. DISABLED
Vehicle DEFENDER
Immobilizer MEMS-TD5

These are in most respects, quite acceptable, but I still find that when the vehicle is left unlocked (using the plip) for 30 mins or so, the passive immobiliser will still turn on, in spite of being disabled in the 10AS settings, necessitating use of the plip to mobilise the engine.

Are you able to suggest any mods to the above settings to achieve the 1-4 requirements above? I am pretty sure the 10AS is working as designed, & I certainly have not had any starting problems at any stage.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers,

Lionel

15th Feb 2021 11:35am

SteveG

Member Since: 29 Nov 2011
Location: Norfolk
Posts: 659

As far as I recall - this is how it works on Defender. You won’t be able to have alarm without immobiliser and you won’t be able to unlock by just by key and start engine as immobiliser will want fob present.

There was no way to turn off passive immobilization when unlocked too. I used to find this a pain, especially when you stop off road to spot/recover etc. for long enough to activate it, even though keys were in the ignition in off position.

15th Feb 2021 12:33pm

Lionel

Member Since: 12 Aug 2008
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 59

Hi SteveG,

Yes, this is exactly the same behaviour as mine. I'm quite happy with it using the fob, but it would have been nice to have a way of bypassing the fob if there was a fob loss or damage.

Thank you very much for your input.

Cheers,

Lionel

16th Feb 2021 12:03am

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17351

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey

This is interesting and curious. A while back I was having starting issues with my '07 Puma, and disabled the PI to see if that made a difference. For a while I ran the vehicle with the PI disabled, and would leave the vehicle unlocked with no keys in it whilst working nearby in remote places (no need to lock it, and it was handy for getting tools etc). The PI never kicked in, and I was always able to start the car with the key without needing to use the plip. I don't see why the Puma would be different to the TD5 in this respect, but perhaps it is.

As far as I know it is not possible to configure the Puma to full key-only operation, to prevent alarm activation the doors must be unlocked with the plip. It is possible on the TD5 Disco2, but that uses the BCU and not a 10AS for the alarm functions.

16th Feb 2021 12:32am

Lionel

Member Since: 12 Aug 2008
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 59

When I bought this car in 2004 (new), it had the alarm/immob. working, probably much as it is now if I can remember correctly, but at the 1st service I asked them to turn it off as we were doing some long bush trips, & I didn't want to be caught with a failed plip. The alarm was only re-activated when I eventually purchased some diagnostic equipment, firstly a Lynx & more recently a Nanocom.

It seems to be an "all or nothing" situation with the PI. Can't avoid it with the alarm working. Perhaps the Pumas ARE different in this respect.

Still, I can turn it off quite easily with the Nanocom for long trips, I suppose.

Cheers,

Lionel

16th Feb 2021 4:17am

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