Philip wrote:

Strongly disagree - the old W463 was woefully out of date, but at least had some integrity given its links to the original military version; the new W463 is just embarrassing, possibly the most cynically-conceived car on sale. Mercedes avoided the difficult decisions and took the easy option when they didn't know how to replace it - on what planet does a car which will never have any commercial or professional variant benefit from the underpinnings of your average twin cab? Even worse at £150k+.

Philip wrote:

What capabilities exactly?

Go on then, I'll bite, even though we really shouldn't feed trolls.

This image should sum up the kind of breadth of capability referred to.


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Can't see that ever happening again.

Also a quick look at the approach and departure angles of the new vehicle tells us they simply *cannot* be better off road than the old. The ramp/breakover angles are also inferior. Its advantages come from electronic trickery to maintain traction.

As stated elsewhere, the new Defender is the best Discovery ever made, but it is unfortunately quite ugly. I should say though that I find 99% of current cars from all manufacturers to be ugly, I'm not singling JLR out there. But I, like many others, love the retro styling of the Jeep, Bronco etc because they are distinctive in a world of jelly moulds. 2011 110 USW
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markb110 wrote:

Ram trucks are imported into Australia and then converted to RND.

Wouldn't take a leap of faith for Ford to do the same with the Bronco, then with the UK / Australian trade deal to then send them here.

markb110 wrote:

Ram trucks are imported into Australia and then converted to RND.

Wouldn't take a leap of faith for Ford to do the same with the Bronco, then with the UK / Australian trade deal to then send them here.

22900013A wrote:

Philip wrote:

What capabilities exactly?

Go on then, I'll bite, even though we really shouldn't feed trolls.

This image should sum up the kind of breadth of capability referred to.


Click image to enlarge

Can't see that ever happening again.

Also a quick look at the approach and departure angles of the new vehicle tells us they simply *cannot* be better off road than the old. The ramp/breakover angles are also inferior. Its advantages come from electronic trickery to maintain traction.

As stated elsewhere, the new Defender is the best Discovery ever made, but it is unfortunately quite ugly. I should say though that I find 99% of current cars from all manufacturers to be ugly, I'm not singling JLR out there. But I, like many others, love the retro styling of the Jeep, Bronco etc because they are distinctive in a world of jelly moulds.

Oh my, you’re just not listening are you? If Philip says the New Defender can do everything that the classic Defender could, and also brings so much more to the table than a forty-year out of date vehicle (despite it being the model that firmly established the legend of Land Rover) then it’s true. Everything he says about the classic Defender and it’s archaic underpinnings, the macho, masochistic, living in the dark ages owners, such as those on this forum, (who clearly don’t know better and should be firmly told by him and JLR what they should like and want in the new Defender), is on message.

What’s more, he’s also clearly got a depth of vision the 150k buyers of the new Bronco don’t have for he can see how old it looks and how rubbish it will be, so we should count ourselves lucky that he told us so; indeed I suspect he saved us all thousands by talking directly to Ford management, (who also listened to him because he is the oracle of all things ‘off road’), that the new Bronco is simply crap and it will never sell in the UK, so they changed there global sales plans thus.

It just astounds me that you would call him a troll, he most certainly isn’t. Indeed, have you not worked out who he is? I just worked it out.

1. He knows everything
2. He likes to tell classic Defender owners that they’re wrong for liking their old bits of tin
3. He doesn’t listen to fans of the classic Defender or believe they have a say in the ND
4. He blindly believes the New Defender is the best 4x4xFar even though it will never be used as such
5. He clearly has a problem with big strong men with dirty hands, perhaps he prefers a suit, cravat and moisturiser?
6. He has a monstrous sense of self belief
7. He looks down at we lot who wanted ‘simple’ and ‘practical’ and ‘flexible’ and ‘affordable’. Those words aren’t in his vocabulary.
8. He hates aftermarket stuff and toys. What a puerile pastime. If he doesn’t control what you stick on your car, it’s not worth having.
I could go on.

But I found a photo of him, just so we can all properly visualise who we’re dealing with:
















































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