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| windy81 Member Since: 14 Mar 2018 Location: North Wales Posts: 311   
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i have so little interest in the new Defender because it won't be a Defender.
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10th May 2019 12:39pm |
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| PCM Member Since: 25 Jan 2019 Location: North East Posts: 874 
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Sometimes the designers get it right. Lets wait and see what it looks like in the flesh. Doesnæt take a lot to respect the heritage of the previous model and still bring it up to modern standards.
I think the new VW camper is the best of them all. 
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10th May 2019 1:33pm |
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| tookaphotoof Member Since: 18 Mar 2013 Location: dordrecht Posts: 1279  
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013A, correct. Not trying to act like an arse but I don’t have the patience to watch a vid. On a forum I rather have people post a short comments instead of long videos.
Anyways, unlike most of the Defender owners I’m going to wait before my judgement. Probably not going to buy one myself. But that’s because I can’t imagine the car costing less than 60k euro in Holland. A Wrangler does 100k easily including tax today.  |
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10th May 2019 4:02pm |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3149 
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Fair enough but please dont just assume it's a hate-rant, it isn't! 2011 110 USW
1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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10th May 2019 4:55pm |
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| diduan Member Since: 13 Oct 2016 Location: Central Balkan Posts: 260 
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I would be rather interested in the axle shafts diameter, differentials, monting points for front, rear, side protection, gear box and transfer case...its all unknown yet. Il Defender 110 SW MY2011 2.4tdci decat, no EGR
Jeep Wrangler YJ 1990 4.0. Front 78' Dana 60, Rear CUCV 14 bolt |
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10th May 2019 5:54pm |
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| rover Member Since: 26 May 2012 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 146
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Another over priced, over complicated piece of poo built for urbanites with more money than sense,
True off road vehicles don’t have independent suspension on air bags, radiators mounted in front of the front wheels, 18 plus alloy wheels, and over turbo reliant 2.0 engines. The Gerry guy with the awful poodle perm mullet started with the freelander and now we have this. Land Rover needs putting out of its misery so it can rip. Harsh but true. The future i am afraid is Jeep, Toyota and ford. |
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10th May 2019 5:56pm |
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| mikelike Member Since: 31 Aug 2011 Location: new zealand Posts: 108 |
Harsh Rover , but too true !
I am so disappointed , hey it might look ok , but it is another SUV . Land Rover showrooms look bland now without some kind of commercial vehicle in them . Land Rover is a marmite brand , and will this suv bring a storm of new customers in the door ? I say , some for twelve months , but not many . Is this the creation that is going to restore brand Kudos that has been dissipating for years ? No because of its excessive complexities , purchase price and no doubt running costs . Like all JLR products the deprecation is going to be painful , because this is another mass produced SUV. The Defender was an exclusive vehicle with plenty of faults , but it had Kudos . And a trip down the road , always felt special , despite most motorists not really getting it . The word is out and has been for years , you don't buy a Land Rover ! Despite more and more JLR models , there sales are falling , not good for there survival , Jeep outsold them in there home market of Europe , And the C E O admits Defender2 is going to be a tough launch , Talk about an admission of defeat before it is even launched , Unbelievable , Ever hear this comment from the Japanese ?? |
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10th May 2019 9:07pm |
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| Zed Member Since: 07 Oct 2017 Location: In the woods Posts: 3287 
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None of those look anywhere near as good as the originals and I'd be surprised if they sold as many either. From a design point of view it's just too much of a leap doing that to a classic and the result ends being an ersatz version or pastiche. Generally I prefer it when cars are improved over time and evolve like the 911, G Class etc. Although one notable exception is the Fiat 500 which is arguably a worthy successor. |
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10th May 2019 9:48pm |
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| Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2638  
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https://carbuzz.com/news/land-rover-will-never-be-the-same-again
-- 2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear 2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged
Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9 Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ |
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16th May 2019 4:26pm |
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| DSC-off Member Since: 16 Oct 2014 Location: North East Posts: 1403 
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"The Discovery Sport will be completely reinvented in the near future as well. Once Land Rover’s best-seller, it’s taken a hit recently from fresh competition. Not only will the new model receive the same electrification treatment as the rest of the lineup, but it’ll become more luxurious as well."
So the Freelander continues to move upmarket, and no doubt get more expensive. With no model below it sub £32K and no honest, "non-premium" model in the range, I'm not sure how that will improve sales for the brand. |
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16th May 2019 7:38pm |
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| Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2638
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new photos from Spain, with what looks like a retractable canvas roof or just disguising the panoramic sunroof?
Also, note the dash-mounted gearshift lever. https://www.motor.es/noticias/land-rover-d...57401.html Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge -- 2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear 2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged
Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9 Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ |
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17th May 2019 12:35pm |
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| mikelike Member Since: 31 Aug 2011 Location: new zealand Posts: 108 |
So that horrible interior pic leaked , is exactly like this !
Tata get rid of it now while Peugeot might still be interested . In fact this so called Defender is looking something very odd ball , Suit the French ! |
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18th May 2019 9:07am |
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| markb110 Member Since: 22 May 2010 Location: Guildford Posts: 2636  
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Agreed Mike.
It leaves me cold, I hate the dash location of the gear selector - reminds me of the Fiat Multipla. Do people really want seating for three abreast and not have a cubby box / arm rest, does anyone really want to sit in the middle and get elbowed by the driver for the duration of a journey? I guess we have to fear the worse, hope for the best and not be surprised if LR blow it. |
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18th May 2019 7:17pm |
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| Disco_Mikey Member Since: 16 Nov 2014 Location: Dundee Posts: 531  
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I agree with your 1st sentence, and I’m not a fan of McGovern The rest of your post Is nonsense  |
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19th May 2019 7:00am |
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