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| J77 Member Since: 04 Nov 2019 Location: Fife Posts: 3395  
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So are LR leaving all the Defender SVO stuff to Bowler.
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18th Aug 2020 5:23pm |
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| Stuff Member Since: 06 Feb 2017 Location: Between cradle and grave Posts: 41 |
Bowler for the SVO road-biased stuff and perhaps for the race-biased extreme stuff? Perhaps they look to Bowler for the halo effect?
I am watching the Grenadier with interest. If I want a rugged light utility offroad-capable vehicle to tour North European wilds in the years between retirement and confinement to whatever might pass for home, the Grenadier seems likely to fit the bill. |
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18th Aug 2020 5:37pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018  
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I'm missing where the Bowler involvement is coming from?
And reading: "sources tell us that JLR’s Special Vehicle Operations (SVO) division isn’t directly involved with the Defender V8 project. Instead, it’s an offshoot of the existing Defender engineering operation."  |
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18th Aug 2020 5:50pm |
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| MrEleven Member Since: 15 May 2020 Location: Glasgow Posts: 112
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Had to get the off road tyres and classic mud flaps after seeing tims and added the decal last week.
 Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge What would be a fair price to sell the pirelli scorpion tyres it came with ? They have 2k miles on them set of 5 |
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18th Aug 2020 7:34pm |
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| zilch Member Since: 11 Sep 2019 Location: Whitsundays & Sydney Posts: 819 
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my preference would be for a full bar and winch with under body skid plates, as fitted to my RRS. Designed to deflect the "hazard" or push it under rather than onto the bonnet and into the cabin Be interesting to see what the after market companies bring out Click image to enlarge yet another pommie bar steward down under MY20 110 P400 SE Defender MY10 3.0 RR Sport |
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19th Aug 2020 2:55am |
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| zilch Member Since: 11 Sep 2019 Location: Whitsundays & Sydney Posts: 819
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Wrangler AT's or Duratracs ?? yet another pommie bar steward down under MY20 110 P400 SE Defender MY10 3.0 RR Sport |
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19th Aug 2020 3:01am |
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| MrEleven Member Since: 15 May 2020 Location: Glasgow Posts: 112
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Duratracs
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19th Aug 2020 6:41am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17386 
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It will be interesting. The strategy you describe is counter to the ECE pedestrian-friendly design strategy of throwing them - sorry, guiding them - onto the bonnet, which is considered to improve the chance of survival in the case of low-speed pedestrian impact. I can see that many suppliers (and presumably JLR) may be reluctant to go the other way. That being said, it may be that a local manufacturer who understands the requirement may come up with something. What rules do you guys have on pedestrian-friendly front-end design? |
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19th Aug 2020 8:28am |
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| Chicken Drumstick Member Since: 17 Aug 2020 Location: Near MK Posts: 736
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It's more of a heritage thing. Surely if you want to embrace the icon status of a model, you'd at least try and make it look like one. e.g. the JL Wrangler is clearly a Wrangler and clearly draws its root lineage from the original Willys. Very strong design traits and language. Let's be honest here. Regardless of what the new Defender does well or not. What JLR have done is slap a name on something that is really just KL Cherokee type of vehicle. Both are good vehicles, but I'm sure most Jeep fans would be bitterly disappointed if the JL didn't exist and all they had was a Cherokee with a Wrangler badge on it. History has generally not been kind to this sort of marketing ploys... anyone remember or desire a 1980s Dodge Charger..... no didn't think so. |
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19th Aug 2020 10:20am |
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| redneckwilly Member Since: 17 Aug 2020 Location: Colorado Posts: 12 
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 To be honest, the old defender is closer in looks and performance to that old Charger, so I am not sure what your point is. I think we all can agree that the new Defender's design is a piece of artwork, inside and out, coupled with modern technology and superior performance. If all someone cares about is boxy looks there are plenty of other vehicles to choose from, new and used.
 We all understand that the haters reaction to the new defender is based on emotion and not rational thought. That is ok. The venting is good from a psychological standpoint. And it's often entertaining. Those with an open mind realize the new Defender is a great machine. The unbiased, professional reviews online are overwhelmingly positive. And even those who had negative thoughts initially have changed their mind.
I am sure we all wish JLR the best of luck with this new world class beast of a truck!  |
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19th Aug 2020 11:02am |
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| Ecco Member Since: 31 Oct 2015 Location: Kuala Lumpur Posts: 280  
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..this concludes only that you have no idea about either art or performance.. |
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19th Aug 2020 11:09am |
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| zilch Member Since: 11 Sep 2019 Location: Whitsundays & Sydney Posts: 819
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Not sure what the rules are to be honest, but if it avoids a large roo joining me in the front of my vehicle at a closing speed of 100KPH+, then i am happy with the Australian after market approach 
edited: a quick check of the NSW regulations state it is a "Vehicle Front Protection System" , sharp edges, obscuring lights and extensive extrusion is frowned upon, but not much else it would seem https://roadsafety.transport.nsw.gov.au/st...-bars.html yet another pommie bar steward down under MY20 110 P400 SE Defender MY10 3.0 RR Sport |
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19th Aug 2020 11:20am |
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| Chicken Drumstick Member Since: 17 Aug 2020 Location: Near MK Posts: 736
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lol, the only "hater" seems to be you. As in your views on the past model and people who like them. |
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19th Aug 2020 12:20pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17386
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No, that remark is astonishingly insensitive and generally offensive. Most of the people on this forum who have questioned the new Defender or have expressed disappointment in its design are people who appreciate the old Defender for what it actually was, which, faults and all, is an incredibly versatile light utility vehicle, and who lament that fact that the new one is nothing of the kind. There are many on this forum who bought the old Defender as a leisure vehicle and for these the new is probably a genuine replacement, but for those who use the classic Defender for its original intended purpose the new is as much use as a chocolate teapot. This is not a statement based on emotion and does not lack rational thought, it is a simple statement of fact. If JLR really needs another premium, complex, technology-rich, and generally indistinguishable "lifestyle" vehicle in its already overpopulated line-up, then it is the right design choice, however the indications at present are not that encouraging. As far as your last sentence is concerned, personally I don't really care at all whether this vehicle is a success or not, since JLR no longer makes any vehicles that interest me. I would be sorry if the company failed, mainly because it employs many people whose livelihoods would be endangered, but that is the limit of my concern. If you want to find an example of a view based on emotion and not rational thought I suggest you look closer to home. With a post count of 4 and with the general tenor of your posts, I detect a whiff of troll. |
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19th Aug 2020 12:34pm |
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