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| zsd-puma Member Since: 09 Aug 2016 Location: Kent Posts: 2720   
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Very. The ignition switch is from a Morris Marina. |
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29th Mar 2018 4:48pm |
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| Phil_C Member Since: 04 Apr 2013 Location: Luton, UK Posts: 24 
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I appreciate the key is not 'good' but I thought they had an immobiliser chip built in as well- is that wrong? 2000 TD5 Disco II, front and rear winches, 2" lift, ARB bumper etc.etc. --
2010 TDCi Puma 90 HT - Bulkhead removal kit, Ashcroft front and rear lockers, Andersons front and rear, Warn XD9000i winch, battery split charge system, Patriot full roof rack. OME Suspension. 2013 Freelander II GS - Factory standard |
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29th Mar 2018 4:50pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17209 
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They are exceptionally easy to open without the key, once open it is very easy to overcome the factory immobiliser and start the engine. If it has a battery backed sounder it takes a few minutes longer but isn't much harder. Say 10 minutes with a BBUS and perhaps 5 minutes without.
Your steering lock probably adds a minute or two. There are so many threads on improving security already on Def2 that there's really no point repeating them here, but a standard Puma is not secure in any sense of the word. |
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29th Mar 2018 5:08pm |
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| Phil_C Member Since: 04 Apr 2013 Location: Luton, UK Posts: 24
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Thanks black wolf, I'm not looking for a rehash of what security could be added etc. just questioning how goos factory standard is or isn't, and whether all Puma's had immobilisers or not.
I had been led to believe the immobiliser/chip was quite good when the key wasn't present - but if it is not then it looks like a remote cut off and some more visible deterrents are in the pipeline. 2000 TD5 Disco II, front and rear winches, 2" lift, ARB bumper etc.etc. -- 2010 TDCi Puma 90 HT - Bulkhead removal kit, Ashcroft front and rear lockers, Andersons front and rear, Warn XD9000i winch, battery split charge system, Patriot full roof rack. OME Suspension. 2013 Freelander II GS - Factory standard |
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29th Mar 2018 5:23pm |
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| X4SKP Member Since: 29 Nov 2013 Location: Berkshire Posts: 2293 
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Hello Phil_C
Approaches vary widely re Security... from the 'what will be will be' school of thought to the realisation that 'it really isn't that difficult to either unbolt stuff or drive it away, so I had better do something to improve my chances'...(school of thought ).
The Land Rover has lived through a time when it really wasn't an issue and most were effectively used with an open door policy to where we are now, with both a high profile end of life 'warm and fuzzy feeling' surrounding the Defender and vehicles now commanding unimagined prices...all this has drawn in the thieves who aim to prosper from the apparent easy pickings offered by Defenders. So plenty on D2N to read through, and you must decide where you want to be on 'the spectrum'... Many have decided that as Land Rover really only gave Defender Security 'an afternoons work', they must take it to a more Secure state. The other issue is that on approaching a Defender the assumption is (more or less) that they are all poor, and present this easy target...make it non-standard, make it difficult, make it loud, oh and track it if all else fails and you can at least feel that you have made a good attempt to hang on to it... especially as they aren't making any more and who knows we all may just be driving round in the best that there may be... The consensus is to apply layers, if in their own right they work, the more the better, some passive (they are just there working) and some active (you have to deploy them). To answer your question... The Key (actually Fob) 'hand shakes' with an induction loop around the ignition barrel, in theory No Fob No Ignition but do not rely on this...
 Click image to enlarge Good Luck SKIP https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic83242.html |
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29th Mar 2018 5:40pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17209
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The immobiliser is very basic and will probably cause you more trouble with failing-to-start issues that it will cause a would-be thief.
All modern cars incorporate a massive vulnerability in the form of the OBD port. |
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29th Mar 2018 5:52pm |
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| zsd-puma Member Since: 09 Aug 2016 Location: Kent Posts: 2720
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The actual key doesn't have a chip at all. The chip is in the plip (alarm remote), which dates from the mid 90's. My 20 year old Rover Mini uses the same plip - to give you an idea how modern it is.
They both help, but at the end of the day you've got a 45 year old ignition switch, with a 25 year old alarm system. |
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29th Mar 2018 7:03pm |
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| Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6276  
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it's probably quite safe against someone looking to steal it armed with nothing more than a bags of chips and beef pie but if you're thinking it's safe against a targeted attack then all I can say is I hope you don't learn otherwise the hard way.
do all you can within reason if you're keen to hang onto it.  |
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29th Mar 2018 8:08pm |
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| GrouseII Member Since: 29 Dec 2017 Location: Bucks Posts: 37 
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Hi
This is a subject I have spent a lot of time looking at and spending a few too many hundreds of pounds on thieves with add ons is very objectionable. The long and the short of it is no matter how much you do the scumbags just need to pull up with a low loader and lifting strap and they are away. Alas it seems a cross we have to bare for having excellent taste in vehicles! Grouse2 |
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29th Mar 2018 9:57pm |
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| Julie Member Since: 07 Oct 2017 Location: Nantes Posts: 436  
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Hi anyone - I love my «safe T pedal». Nothing more to worry 'bout. Cheers - Julie
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29th Mar 2018 10:16pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17209
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Except maybe a bump key or a cordless angle grinder.
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29th Mar 2018 10:25pm |
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| Butchers Boy Member Since: 10 Jan 2016 Location: Essex Posts: 426 
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Layers of good security is the key and as suggested earlier in this thread the more security that you have the harder it will be to for some lowlife scumbag to try and take from you
One of my favourite security layers which I think has got to be one of the best visual deterrents is to remove the steering wheel via a quick release boss! I put my wheel in a backpack which makes it easier to carry about with me! Without a doubt get a tracker as well with a smartphone app that will alert you if the vehicle moves !! https://www.landroverdefendersecurity.com/...lease-boss Good luck 2010 Defender 90 HT
The longer I live..... The better I was! |
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29th Mar 2018 10:41pm |
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| ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816  
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Really, nothing? Afraid there are no more certainties in this world. Picture is about a forum member’s sorry experience a while ago... 
Click image to enlarge You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation. http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I https://vimeo.com/201482507 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw |
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30th Mar 2018 5:34am |
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| JOW240725 Member Since: 04 May 2015 Location: Suffolk Posts: 7890 
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If they really want it they will have it. End of.
I think all you can do is add layers of security, enough to deter the theif to go to the next Defender with less layers. It's sad we have to, but it's just how it is. Do what you can but still enjoy it! James MY2012 110 2.2TDCi XS SW Orkney Grey - http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic43410.html MY1990 110 200TDi SW beautifully faded Portofino Red - https://www.defender2.net/forum/post743641.html#743641 MY1984 90 V8 Slate Grey - https://www.defender2.net/forum/post744557.html#744557 Instagram @suffolk_rovers |
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