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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 4218   
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Ah ok, so in addition to the kit linked further up, what would I need to add to my field wheel bearing kit to allow me to swap over to double nut if required? Or is it necessaty to swap ahead of time? 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
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27th Jan 2018 5:52pm |
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| sako243 Member Since: 08 Jul 2014 Location: Wales Posts: 1229  
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As far as I know the spacer just falls out but someone more knowledgeable than me will hopefully reply. Then you just need the double nuts and lock washers. I think all the stub axle threads are the same.
I don't know if there's a difference on the front axles but there are shims usually required for the older ones. Ed 82 Hotspur Sandringham 6x6 95 Defender 110 300Tdi |
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27th Jan 2018 5:54pm |
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| Screbble Member Since: 26 Apr 2015 Location: Lancashire Posts: 2108 
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I'm about to replace my front wheel bearings (Timken) - both wheels.
I haven't looked yet but I'm hoping I have the two nut fixing - so this thread has proved very useful 
There's plenty of guidance on the net (YouTube) however I'd appreciate some feedback from the forum members in relation to: 1) the best grease to use - I want to do it once and do it right (and don't wish to scrimp). 2) how much grease to use - I don't wish to over-grease (I know its key to fully grease the internals of the bearings). 3) your top 3 tips - learning from the mistakes and experiences of others? Many thanks in advance
Will |
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20th Feb 2018 8:29pm |
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| dorsetsmith Member Since: 30 Oct 2011 Location: South West Posts: 4554 |
1. it will be stack nut and spacer unless proves owner change too two nut
2. good LM based high melting grease, Castrol High Temperature Grease - Roller/Wheel Bearings or KFT400 MORRIS 400 GM K42EP LITHIUM 3. video below show good way pram grease in to your bearings 4. keep grit and dust out new bearing |
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20th Feb 2018 9:08pm |
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| agentmulder Member Since: 16 Apr 2016 Location: Outer Space Posts: 1324 
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Unlikely but don't mix up your spacers between wheels...
Torque on stake nut was over 200Nm if I recall, meaning your common 40-200Nm won't cut it.. (this is why I converted to two-nut system, which although fiddly, gives you back control over your vehicle, and not relying on some measurement made in the factory). LR Tool box on YouTube has a few videos on the topic, I'm sure the basic descriptions of the process provided in many forums are working well for the owners, but he goes more in to the DTI side of things... Worth it IMO Solved the bowel problem, working on the consonants... Last edited by agentmulder on 21st Feb 2018 1:13am. Edited 1 time in total |
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20th Feb 2018 10:09pm |
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| miker Member Since: 13 Sep 2015 Location: Surrey Posts: 1764 
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It's not really possible to over grease a wheel bearing, don't trust the people that just put a smear on both sides and call it done!!!
I like the stake nut system personally, I know it has its detractors, but buy timken bearings and it'll serve you well, the spacer seems to be adjusted to take up slack in the original hub casting, the bearings are much more reliable batch to batch. |
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20th Feb 2018 11:19pm |
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| Mash Member Since: 09 Feb 2015 Location: Guernsey Posts: 1674  
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Easiest way to grease bearings is:
Put on rubber gloves Place a large dollop of grease in the palm of your non dominant hand Hold the bearing in your dominant hand Push the bearing down through the dollop of grease towards your palm Repeat this process until grease is coming out the top of the bearing. You will use more grease than you think. I stick to the single stake but set up and purchased a 1/2drv 52mm socket to torque them up. One thing to add to the list of items is new hub seals, these need to be removed to gain access to the rear bearing, I keep an old bearing race to assist in the fitting of new races and also it works excellently on the rear hub seal 90 wolf - Jasmin http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic39408.html
90 V8 - Maggie http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic42564.html 110 TD5 - Buggsy http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic59029.html 52HG25 lightweight https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic72342.html D3 Hse - Fiona Capri 2l S - Anna Think I might have a problem............ |
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20th Feb 2018 11:30pm |
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| sako243 Member Since: 08 Jul 2014 Location: Wales Posts: 1229
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I personally prefer the two nut system although never done the single nut. But at least with the two nut there are no spacers and also you can adjust them much more readily if required to get you out of a tight spot.
Just redone a front on mine (300Tdi 110) in about an hour all told. Welding clamp on flexi brake pipe is useful to minimise leakage. Used a 1/2" ish aluminium round stock about 6" long to drift out old races. I keep all my old races and have put slits in them with the grinder so they can compress slightly smaller in diameter. Very useful for pressing or drifting new ones in. As previously discussed flip it upside down and can be used to push in the grease seal. Note that should have the lip recessed 4mm from outer surface as dictated on the seal itself. Direction is also important. Ed 82 Hotspur Sandringham 6x6 95 Defender 110 300Tdi |
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21st Feb 2018 1:24am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17473 
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I can't remember if it works on the hub oil seal (I think so) but a trick for fitting the oil seal in the diff nose correctly is to use an old standard drive flange as a drift, since the lip on the drive flange is exactly the right diameter to insert the seal without damage, and the the right thickness to set it exactly square at the right depth.
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21st Feb 2018 8:21am |
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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 4218
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On the two nut system, are the two nuts that same part no.? 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
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21st Feb 2018 12:09pm |
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| sako243 Member Since: 08 Jul 2014 Location: Wales Posts: 1229
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I'm 99% sure since they look identical. Never had to replace them though. Ed
82 Hotspur Sandringham 6x6 95 Defender 110 300Tdi |
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21st Feb 2018 12:23pm |
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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 4218
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The reason i ask is that I'm thinking of swapping to two nut system, and all the nuts listed are described as the lock nut. Just wanted to check that two of those are correct. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
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21st Feb 2018 12:29pm |
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| sako243 Member Since: 08 Jul 2014 Location: Wales Posts: 1229
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FRC8700 Ed
82 Hotspur Sandringham 6x6 95 Defender 110 300Tdi |
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21st Feb 2018 12:59pm |
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