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| mk1collector Member Since: 17 Sep 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 6772   
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We will have a better opportunity to trade with the other 85% of the world, and by not effecting you I mean the Europeans won't come after you with pitchforks and throw you out
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15th Jun 2016 10:34am |
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| Riverboy Member Since: 16 May 2016 Location: French sector, Earth Posts: 1288 
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No I don't think they will, however none of us know what new rules and regulations they may impose on us. I'm sure life will become more complicated for us all, especially those of us who continue to work for British companies in the UK and are paid in Sterling.
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15th Jun 2016 10:38am |
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| davew Member Since: 02 Jan 2012 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 888 
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Bloody frogs. Anyway, I understand why expats want us to stay in the EU, after all it's the expats that get the most benefit from the UK being part of the EU. I was astounded last night watching the BBC thing on immigration. A retired couple living as expats were saying how they don't normally vote because they don't see if as fair to vote in UK elections as they are residents in another country. They then went on to explain that if they lived in the UK they would vote out but because they lived as expats they would vote in because of the money they get from the EU in the area they live. They then went on to explain how good the health service is, the hospital flew them to a specialist unit and put the wife up in a hotel while the husband was treated. All done "free" by the local health service - they simply claim the money from the NHS... It does make me wonder why people resident outside the UK are allowed to vote, when the Scottish referendum happened only people resident in Scotland were allowed to vote so why is this different ? http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net/ |
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15th Jun 2016 10:46am |
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| Tiger Member Since: 06 Jul 2012 Location: Wales Posts: 2265 
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Many things are controlling the UK's decisions, the UK parliament does some, quangos, lobbying, the media and the corporations / rich also do a lot (and don't forget we have our own hoards of unelected civil servants and House of Lords) cash for questions / cash for honours .... anybody remember those...
The EU does some as well and gets some stuff wrong but on the whole they tend to work towards a greater good. It's a pretty left wing organisation it's also pretty transparent (but does lack accountability) something the UK government / civil service is not. Don't for one second think sovereignty and self interest are the EUs fault. Also the ECHR is nothing to do with the EU. If we remain we agree to a set common terms, free movement of labour, work time directives, a common set of standards etc. Some of it causes issues but also has benefits. If we leave we don't have to agree to them but probably will agree to them anyway to maintain stability and pay the same amount of money in, we just will lose what little control we had. The EU is riddled with issues but then so is the UK Getting rid of our EU membership will solve nothing, I cannot think of one thing that will get better if we leave....there will still be a shed load of issues just one less thing to blame and a load of problems to sort out. |
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15th Jun 2016 10:51am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17600  
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We do substantially more trade with non-EU countries than with the EU. Difficult to believe, I know, but there were many British ex-pats living in European countries before the EEC morphed into a German-dominated undemocratic superstate which is demonstrably incapable of doing anything successfully. There is no particular reason to believe that thes people cannot continue to do so if we vote out. We also had trade agreements with European countries before the EEC, and we will still have trade agreements with EU countries if we vote out. There is even a small chance that some of these may be on OUR terms rather than theirs. I see no particular reason to suppose that if we vote to leave on the 23rd there'll be an iron curtain erected between us and 'them' on the 24th, as the "Remain" lot seem to suggest. The whole run-up to this referendum has degenerated - as was inevitable given the shockingly low calibre and shocking personal standard of morality of the politicians involved - into the politics of the playground. |
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15th Jun 2016 10:54am |
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| Riverboy Member Since: 16 May 2016 Location: French sector, Earth Posts: 1288
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I'm sorry but that is not correct DaveW. We get nothing from the state in France? I pay 15% of my income towards basic healthcare and still require an expensive top up insurance to cover 100%. My partner is still entitled to NHS care due to working in the UK for a British company therefore continuing to pay tax and NI.
Pensioners I think are still entitled to NHS cover and so they should, they've paid in to it all their lives!. They shouldn't lose that just because they move to Spain or wherever. Honestly, there's so much misinformation flying about its just stupid. |
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15th Jun 2016 10:55am |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20612
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Aka, just thinking of yourself then.  |
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15th Jun 2016 11:03am |
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| Riverboy Member Since: 16 May 2016 Location: French sector, Earth Posts: 1288
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Oh for goodness sakes.
 Of course our personal situation has to come first. I'm no different to anyone else. However I do also strongly feel the UK as a whole is better off remaining a member of the EU. You clearly don't. So be it. |
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15th Jun 2016 11:06am |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20612
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My point is proven over the whole vested interests issue.
It's all about financial fingers in pies, doesn't matter which left or right bias there is. If a Labour voter or MP or Conservative voter or MP has financial ties with the EU then they are after remaining. Look at the whole Panama debolical, AFAIK that is not in the EU. However, it doesn't stop the inclination to squirrel away finances abroad to hide it from taxes. Then there is the whole terrorist issue, and with Turkey after joining up, well that is asking for trouble. *Edit* Oh and the likes of Amazon etc paying 15% Luxembourg tax rates, which is not acceptable. It's no wonder British businesses, even big ones can't compete. |
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15th Jun 2016 11:14am |
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| LoveTheMud Member Since: 19 Feb 2015 Location: Weybridge Surrey & Pontefract West Yorkshire Posts: 411 
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I'm bored of all of this, as I know many of our little nation are - worse still, i hear many no-voters are getting so much stick about voting no, that they may abstain from the polls all together, this just means no democracy and instead a dictatorship run by fear? - surely the biggest conversation should be, no matter how we vote, how do we seize that opportunity going forward?
I'd like to see MP's forging ahead with other nations to secure deals should the british public vote out or in. I just can't understand why MPs are attacking each other when its up to the members of public to vote and the MPs to make the best of it... attaching the arguments only serves to alienate voters... MPs should be giving a fair and unbiased view of all things, not just this... have we really turned into the Jerry Springer country where stupidity rules ok? |
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15th Jun 2016 11:17am |
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| Martin Site Admin Member Since: 02 Apr 2007 Location: Hook Norton Posts: 6638 
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Closing another Referendum thread, we don't need more than one.
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15th Jun 2016 11:20am |
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