↓ Advertise on Defender2 ↓

Home > Puma (Tdci) > Air conditioning
Post Reply  Down to end
Page 1 of 1
Print this entire topic · 
Michael S



Member Since: 12 Jan 2010
Location: In an Essex field
Posts: 21

United Kingdom 2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Tonga Green
Air conditioning
I'm not convinced my a/c is behaving as it should. If I get in and start it for the first time that day the a/c blows cold straight away even when ambient is nudging 30C. But if I drive somewhere and stop when I get back in it usually takes sometime to blow cold, perhaps upto 15 minutes.

The dealer say they can find no fault but it seems something is up to me. Anyone with ideas or similar problem?

Michael
Post #35986 10th Jul 2010 10:56pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
K9F



Member Since: 12 Nov 2009
Location: Bournemouth
Posts: 9610

United Kingdom 2008 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey
Nothing to lose popping along to these:

http://www.kwik-fit.com/about-air-conditioning.asp

Here is an extract:

" Recharge or No Charge"

Let Kwik Fit recharge your Air Con while-u-wait. We will replace and recharge lubricant and refrigerant levels in line with your manufacturer’s recommendation. If we cannot improve the coolest vent temperature from your car by more than 10% when measured in degrees Celsius - then you pay nothing at all.*

As said absolutely nowt to lose except maybe an hour of your time! Dog Thumbs Up Dog If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!

Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!!
Post #35993 11th Jul 2010 7:51am
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
NoDo$h



Member Since: 18 Aug 2007
Location: Buried in deer guts in Dorset
Posts: 972

England 
Won't be a refridgerant issue - it's likely to be the a/c clutch or temp sensors giving anomylous readings. Don't trust your car to KwikFit! 

54 Freelander modded for mud
2008 D3 SE
2010 90 XS SW
1978 88 Series 3 undergoing surgery with a new owner
2007 90 County Truck Cab - gone
2006 D3 SE - gone
2004 Freelander Sport - gay
1999 Disco V8 ES rotted to bits
Post #35995 11th Jul 2010 8:55am
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
nickhodgson



Member Since: 08 Dec 2009
Location: Zambia
Posts: 174

 
There are a few things to check. Is your compressor coming on? and is the compressor cycling (going on and off).

When the compressor is on the pipe coming from the bulkhead (behind ECU) should be cold. The compressor should cycle. If it just stays on then I would suspect your de-ice switch.


Report back,

Cheers
Nick
Post #35996 11th Jul 2010 8:55am
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
Michael S



Member Since: 12 Jan 2010
Location: In an Essex field
Posts: 21

United Kingdom 2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Tonga Green
When it works it works normally but on the occasions it chooses not to the compressor isn't cutting in. My feeling is most likely one of the pressure or temperature sensors being faulty. It may even be over gassed but I can't see why and it wouldn't work the first time it's started on these 30C days if it was.

I wonder how much the ECU is involved in the a/c since the dealer service guy did mutter it could be related to earthing problems I've previously had that caused ECU related starting problems. They did say the electric fan in front of the radiator had jammed and thought they had cured the problem. Unfortunately it's another irritating intermittent fault that spoils an otherwise good vehicle. Could be time to read the riot act to the dealer again although they are much more helpful than when I bought my Td5 seven years ago.

Michael
Post #36006 11th Jul 2010 8:44pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
nickhodgson



Member Since: 08 Dec 2009
Location: Zambia
Posts: 174

 
The other thing to check is if your radiator restricted (mud?) is any way as the ECU will not start the aircon if the engine temp is too high.

Just to be sure when you say working normally you mean that the compressor is cycling?
Post #36010 12th Jul 2010 6:18am
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
NoDo$h



Member Since: 18 Aug 2007
Location: Buried in deer guts in Dorset
Posts: 972

England 
No, it's in the car. Whistle 

54 Freelander modded for mud
2008 D3 SE
2010 90 XS SW
1978 88 Series 3 undergoing surgery with a new owner
2007 90 County Truck Cab - gone
2006 D3 SE - gone
2004 Freelander Sport - gay
1999 Disco V8 ES rotted to bits
Post #36013 12th Jul 2010 7:06am
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
Michael S



Member Since: 12 Jan 2010
Location: In an Essex field
Posts: 21

United Kingdom 2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Tonga Green
nickhodgson wrote:
The other thing to check is if your radiator restricted (mud?) is any way as the ECU will not start the aircon if the engine temp is too high.

Just to be sure when you say working normally you mean that the compressor is cycling?


Radiator clean and compressor cycling when working.

Perhaps I'll try and explain again the symptoms. Today we did an induction for our harvest workers visisting five farms with journeys between 1 and 12 miles and each time we stopped for typically five minutes when we got back in the a/c just blew ambient for a start but then kicked in a few miles/minutes up the road. All puzzling to me.

Michael
Post #36086 12th Jul 2010 11:00pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
nickhodgson



Member Since: 08 Dec 2009
Location: Zambia
Posts: 174

 
you could try another de-ice switch. You can get to the connector without removing the dash and connect a new switch. Hold the switch sensor on some ice and the compressor should cut out and then in air warmer then 3 degrees and it should cut in. Obviously dont let the compressor run for too long or things will freeze up.

The other option is that you have some water in your system that is freezing and blocking the expansion valve. Debris would also block the valve.
Post #36094 13th Jul 2010 6:17am
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
AndrewS



Member Since: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Hereford
Posts: 3707

United Kingdom 2013 Defender 130 Puma 2.2 SW Rimini Red
Is there water running from the AC drain Question 130's have feeling's as well you know Smile
Post #36220 13th Jul 2010 10:46pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
Michael S



Member Since: 12 Jan 2010
Location: In an Essex field
Posts: 21

United Kingdom 2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Tonga Green
AndrewS wrote:
Is there water running from the AC drain Question


Yes, lots when it chooses to come on. It seems not to want to work when the interior is hot. A couple of miles up the road with the windows open purging the hot air and away it goes for as longer journey as you like. But stop for say 5 or 10 minutes parked in the sun and a repeat performance - like waiting for your heater to come warm from a cold start but in reverse!

With harvest/combining upon us it may have to wait to go to the dealers till the autumn.

Michael
Post #36320 14th Jul 2010 9:07pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Post Reply
Post Reply  Back to top
Page 1 of 1
All times are GMT

Jump to  
Previous Topic | Next Topic >
Posting Rules
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum



Site Copyright © 2006-2024 Futuranet Ltd & Martin Lewis
DEFENDER2.NET RSS Feed - All Forums