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Tank



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Scotland 2004 Defender 90 Td5 HT Zermatt Silver
MOT and EGR removal
Hi

I have a 2004 TD5 and it has its MOT at the end of the month. It's the first with me as the owner.

I have removed the EGR valve and gubbins , question is will it fail the MOT because I have removed it ?

Cheers

Tank
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blackwolf



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
No, it should be fine. It would fail if a cat had been removed, but not the EGR.
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amondeggs



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United Kingdom 1999 Defender 90 Td5 HT Woodcote Green
I had jo problems with mine,

My car is a 1999 but I recently replaced the engine with a later 15 p engine like yours. Before I fitted it I removed the whole egr system and there was no issue with the mot Thumbs Up
Post #407106 12th Mar 2015 11:23pm
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ian series 1



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United Kingdom 2008 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 CSW Bonatti Grey
blackwolf wrote:
No, it should be fine. It would fail if a cat had been removed, but not the EGR.


Just goes to show how mot testers can be good or bad!
I've just had mine go through last week with a de-cat....they never even noticed!
I didnt get the time to put the old one back on Whistle 80" 80" 86" 88" 90"

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Rogeo1983



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2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 CSW Zambezi Silver
Hi folks,

I am new to td5 or even Land Rover diesels, my last restoration was a V8 3.9.

What are the pros and cons of removing the egr valve?

Sorry if it is a stupid question!,
Post #547427 9th Jul 2016 8:54pm
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4RF RDS



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Canada 2000 Defender 110 Td5 XS CSW Epsom Green
Basically the motor breaths much better with restriction of air into the motor. The EGR is a massive space occupying lesion, I notced immediate differences in acceleration and driveability. Also less crap to go wrong. The EGR can throw codes and gets you chasing unecessary repairs.



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taffrican



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Wales 2002 Defender 90 Td5 HT Java Black
ian series 1 wrote:
blackwolf wrote:
No, it should be fine. It would fail if a cat had been removed, but not the EGR.


Just goes to show how mot testers can be good or bad!
I've just had mine go through last week with a de-cat....they never even noticed!
I didnt get the time to put the old one back on Whistle


Earlier TD5's weren't fitted with a cat Whistle Thumbs Up Optimists say the glass is half full..
Pessimists say the glass is half empty..
Engineers say the glass is twice the size it needs to be!


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Post #552039 28th Jul 2016 11:16pm
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blackwolf



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
ian series 1 wrote:
blackwolf wrote:
No, it should be fine. It would fail if a cat had been removed, but not the EGR.


Just goes to show how mot testers can be good or bad!
I've just had mine go through last week with a de-cat....they never even noticed!
I didnt get the time to put the old one back on Whistle


Likewise. I fitted a decat pipe to my Puma as a temporary measure after the flange broke off the top of the original downpipe, intending it to stay put only whilst I repaired the cat pipe, but three years or so later it is still fitted. The MOT man either hasn't noticed or doesn't care for the last three MOTs, and the vehicle runs and drives noticeably better without the cat. The underbonnet temperatures are greatly reduced, and the driver's footwell no longer radiates heat into the cabin. All in all a massive improvement, except, presumably, the in emissions department.

taffrican wrote:
... I phoned my MOT tester and asked him if he would fail me without the cat fitted, he said it should be a fail but he personally wouldn't fail me ....


I admire the courage, but I am not sure I'd have done this!

Me: "Excuse me, Mr MOT man, if I bring an unroadworthy vehicle for an MOT will you fail it?"

MOT Man: "I should, but I won't because I have one too!"

With my luck that's not how it would go if I tried that one. Rolling with laughter
Post #552102 29th Jul 2016 9:14am
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JR



Member Since: 07 Dec 2012
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Scotland 1984 Defender 90 200 Tdi SW Coniston Green
I'm also in Fife, Tank, and my posher motor is a D2 with:

no egr
no cat
no centre box
big intercooler
equally fancy radiator (not important but looks gorgeous too)
Alive tune (apparently)

All this was done before I bought the car. I have now had 2 MOTs through Burnside Autocentre, Auchtermuchty (we've used them in their various guises for 50-60 years) with absolutely no problems.

My tweaked 200Tdi Defender always passes too.

Hope this helps.
Post #552137 29th Jul 2016 11:43am
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taffrican



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Wales 2002 Defender 90 Td5 HT Java Black
blackwolf wrote:
ian series 1 wrote:
blackwolf wrote:
No, it should be fine. It would fail if a cat had been removed, but not the EGR.


Just goes to show how mot testers can be good or bad!
I've just had mine go through last week with a de-cat....they never even noticed!
I didnt get the time to put the old one back on Whistle


Likewise. I fitted a decat pipe to my Puma as a temporary measure after the flange broke off the top of the original downpipe, intending it to stay put only whilst I repaired the cat pipe, but three years or so later it is still fitted. The MOT man either hasn't noticed or doesn't care for the last three MOTs, and the vehicle runs and drives noticeably better without the cat. The underbonnet temperatures are greatly reduced, and the driver's footwell no longer radiates heat into the cabin. All in all a massive improvement, except, presumably, the in emissions department.

taffrican wrote:
... I phoned my MOT tester and asked him if he would fail me without the cat fitted, he said it should be a fail but he personally wouldn't fail me ....


I admire the courage, but I am not sure I'd have done this!

Me: "Excuse me, Mr MOT man, if I bring an unroadworthy vehicle for an MOT will you fail it?"

MOT Man: "I should, but I won't because I have one too!"

With my luck that's not how it would go if I tried that one. Rolling with laughter




Fortunately he's a freind of mine and I often run mods by him and he's a good source for tech knowledge too Whistle Optimists say the glass is half full..
Pessimists say the glass is half empty..
Engineers say the glass is twice the size it needs to be!
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K9F



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United Kingdom 2008 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey
Finding an MOT tester that perhaps 'turns a blind eye' or passes something he shouldn't is a very rare commodity these days. If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!

Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!!
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gazman



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United Kingdom 2003 Defender 90 Td5 HT Alpine White
mine flew through the mot. No cat and no egr. The emissions were really low and so much so he commented on how clean it was and said he'd had low catorgry tax veichles put out more.
I d9 service it very regularly and it had just been done if it makes anydifference 2014 - current ..... 2003 defender td5 90 (my car)
2009 - current .... 2005 zx10r
Post #552269 29th Jul 2016 9:19pm
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blackwolf



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^^^ Did you point out to him that the emissions test is supposed to be done with the engine running? Rolling with laughter


Seriously that is a good result, well done!
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gazman



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nah. He went on to say some of the low tax cars he sees are bad on the emissions as they don't all get serviced.
Stuff like dirty air filters and engines that never get warm screw up their results 2014 - current ..... 2003 defender td5 90 (my car)
2009 - current .... 2005 zx10r
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miker



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United Kingdom 1999 Defender 110 Td5 CSW Rioja Red
Mine was motd the other week.

No cat, no egr, no centre box.

Flew through the smoke test. According to the readout it was way way below the pass limit.
Post #552517 30th Jul 2016 11:19pm
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