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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17336   
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The brackets are (IMHO) an appropriate engineering response to the problem, bearing in mind that this is seemingly a very rare event (I think the Q&A stated 13 vehicles in the last 3 years). Were it not for the severity of the consequences probably nothing would be done.
Bear in mind:- 1) It is very unlikely that a vehicle will suffer from a failure of the flange at all 2) If the flange weld does fail, this modification will (a) almost certainly prevent a crack from become a complete failure of the flange, and (b) even in the case of a complete failure prevent the total separation of the hub and consequent inevitable loss of control scenario from happening. However unsatisfactory an owner may find this "solution", it is an appropriate and responsible response under the circumstances. If an axle is found to be cracked then it must, of course, be replaced. What is I think more interesting is what will Landrover's response be when an axle whcih has been fitted with these catch brackets fails - will the axle then still be replaced free of charge (as clearly it should) or will LR consider that its liability was discharged by the fitment of the catch brackets? |
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10th Dec 2014 1:39pm |
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| Cupboard Member Since: 21 Mar 2014 Location: Suffolk Posts: 2971 
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That's around about 1 in 1000 of the VIN numbers supplied I think? I don't know if those numbers include 90s, but that's not that small a proportion. |
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10th Dec 2014 3:32pm |
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| Mac22 Member Since: 22 Nov 2013 Location: Merseyside Posts: 675 
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I find this quite disturbing if Im honest. Fitting a catchment jobbie to minimise the chance of a wheel parting company due to defective welding.
Couldn't quite see any other major car manufacturer carrying out such a recall. It will all end in tears..  |
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10th Dec 2014 7:59pm |
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| T1G UP Member Since: 08 Dec 2009 Location: Bath Posts: 3101  
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mines in on monday for a whole list of warrenty work. its had a noise like the front o/s wheel bearings going for ages.....maybe this is the problem.
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10th Dec 2014 9:08pm |
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| CatherineF Member Since: 22 Nov 2014 Location: Wiltshire Posts: 762
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Ours is a 2011 Model year car and I've just registered, the good news is there appears to be no outstanding recall work.
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10th Dec 2014 9:36pm |
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| charlesteton Member Since: 24 Feb 2013 Location: London Posts: 40
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My 2011 booked into local dealer tomorrow to have fix fitted, estimated time 30 mins ie while I wait.
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17th Dec 2014 8:58pm |
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| Cupboard Member Since: 21 Mar 2014 Location: Suffolk Posts: 2971
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You have a 90, this is only for 110s and 130s  |
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18th Dec 2014 8:45am |
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| charlesteton Member Since: 24 Feb 2013 Location: London Posts: 40
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Had recall fix applied, didn't realise it is to both sides:
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18th Dec 2014 4:00pm |
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| dgardel Member Since: 30 Nov 2008 Location: Veneto (Heart & Head) Posts: 3586 
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Charlesteton !!!
CHECK THE POINTED NUT, it seems not tightened properly !!! Click image to enlarge you see the bolt shank between the inside space of the U bracket and the bushing of the silent block. In that way all forces are transmit to the bolt like 100% shears....... Check also the other one on the  driver "wrong" side (2 nuts by side)
If properly tightened the forces are transmit from the arm/pull-rod to the bracket 100% by friction from the bushing of the silent block and the internal side of the bracket. Admin note: this post has had its images recovered from a money grabbing photo hosting site and reinstated  Discovery 5 td6 HSE Stornoway Gray Outback Engineering Limited Edition
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18th Dec 2014 8:34pm |
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| charlesteton Member Since: 24 Feb 2013 Location: London Posts: 40
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I saw it and thought it looked odd, they certainly knacked the head. Will get a better photo tomorrow morning and post. Thanks for your heads up.
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18th Dec 2014 10:14pm |
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| sparkylee Member Since: 06 Nov 2010 Location: surrey Posts: 1455
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I'm guessing that due to bracket the bolt needs to be changed to a longer one, if this is the case why is it so rusty already ?
Hope it's ok It's good to be back from the dark side
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19th Dec 2014 8:08am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17336
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The "reinforcement kit" only consists of the brackets and uses the existing bolts and self-locking nuts (which is in itself interesting since nylon insert stiff nuts, which my memory tells me these are, strictly shouldn't be reused).
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19th Dec 2014 9:18am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018 
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Dgardel - I understand your point but here's a reference photo of mine taken when it was first delivered - it appears to show the same gap:
[URL=] Click image to enlarge[/URL] The workshop manual gives the nut tightness at both 210Nm and 197Nm depending on which section you read. Tightening the nut should not draw the bracket together so a gap where you have indicated would not be indicative of a loose nut but, if anything, a missing spacer or bent bracket. Admin note: this post has had its images recovered from a money grabbing photo hosting site and reinstated Last edited by Supacat on 19th Dec 2014 10:41am. Edited 2 times in total |
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19th Dec 2014 10:11am |
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| Retroanaconda Member Since: 04 Jan 2012 Location: Scotland Posts: 2637 
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The gap between the radius arm casting and the axle bracket is normal. It's the gap between the inner bush sleeve and the bracket which was concerning dgardel.
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19th Dec 2014 10:16am |
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