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Killer90
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custom90steve wrote:
Killer90 wrote:
i have some diff guards available ( pics to follow), made to the same spec as the qt and are electro coated in any colour will be a bit cheaper than qt aswell, look identical except have csk on instead Thumbs Up

Your's will be white then .. Whistle

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custom90



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Killer90 wrote:

my new steering guard is Whistle Rolling with laughter Rolling with laughter pics to follow hopefully tonight Thumbs Up

I'll hold you to that. Thumbs Up AND pictures of the diff guards. Whistle $W33T $0U7H3RN $UG4R
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Glynparry25



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SteveG wrote:
steering guards are more for looks than benefit. They can get caught up on rocks and stumps, and can catch when being pulled out backwards. I've personally found fitting HD drag link and track rod bars a better option, and for full belt and braces a track rod guard as suggested above.


I will have to disagree with that. HD/ Sumo bars are great (I had a set on my Disco) but if you knock one hard- like on a rock the bar survives but the ball joint on the end get shagged. It is also still possible to bend them if you manage to hit them in the centre. With my Defender I have opted for the steering guard, and Southdown axle guard as it gives it complete protection.

A steering guard should never get caught when being pulled out backwards- it sits higher than the bottom of the axle therefore you will have already ripped the axle off to reach the steering guard.


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Post #193470 14th Dec 2012 2:50pm
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Glynparry25 wrote:
SteveG wrote:
steering guards are more for looks than benefit. They can get caught up on rocks and stumps, and can catch when being pulled out backwards. I've personally found fitting HD drag link and track rod bars a better option, and for full belt and braces a track rod guard as suggested above.


I will have to disagree with that. HD/ Sumo bars are great (I had a set on my Disco) but if you knock one hard- like on a rock the bar survives but the ball joint on the end get shagged. It is also still possible to bend them if you manage to hit them in the centre. With my Defender I have opted for the steering guard, and Southdown axle guard as it gives it complete protection.

A steering guard should never get caught when being pulled out backwards- it sits higher than the bottom of the axle therefore you will have already ripped the axle off to reach the steering guard.


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Glyn Dog Sheep


Well said.

My steering guard saved my but on a few occasions already.

Some of the tall grass in the African bush can make it real hard to spot large rocks/boulders and when you are more focused on following the pack of small lion cubs instead of really looking where you are going you can easily make friends with a huge stone.....believe me......there is no worse place to try and straighten your bend steering than between a lioness and her small cubs only a few meters away.......... Rolling Eyes
Post #193484 14th Dec 2012 3:44pm
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Glynparry25 wrote:

A steering guard should never get caught when being pulled out backwards- it sits higher than the bottom of the axle therefore you will have already ripped the axle off to reach the steering guard.


So some examples for you from personal experience....
Driving over fallen trees, I've dropped one wheel over, only for one of the trees to tip and wedge itself between steering guard and axle. It's happened a few times in the past and is a real pain in the derri่re.

Driving over rocks, again steering guard pushes over a rock and then it wedges itself between guard and rock. Same thing going out backwards.

Pulling out a Range Rover backwards in peat, with front steering guard and Southdown axle guard both acting as ploughs adding significant drag to vehicle. Meant we had to get a couple of vehicles and double line pull on one of them to extract it.

Look, nothing's perfect, just from experiences like this I chose a long while ago to not to bother with a steering guard anymore and haven't regretted it since. It's just a personal choice, and anyone can fit what they like the most. Wink

Cheers

Steve Smile Smile
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Glynparry25



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Steve,

By the sound of it all your incidents were at low speed doing more technical/ challenge stuff, and the only issue was the inconvenience of getting it out (hi-Lift jack for about 5-10 mins).

I am talking about higher speed (10mph+) where as with Regard you are going through bush/ taller grass/ water/ mud/ snow where you can't see rocks etc that can take out your steering bars/ diff.

Last experience I had was on a salt lake where there was scrub grass about bumper height. I was doing about 20mph down a path (grass either side and down the middle). I heard a bang- an old concrete post had been abandoned in the middle. There was a dent at the bottom of the TJM bumper, then impact marks down the steering guard and then along the axle guard. If I had HD steering bars I would have definitely been stranded. Which would have resulted in leaving the vehicle to search for recovery/ spares.


As for the recovery- For the steering guard to act as a plough/ anchor the mud needs to be deep enough to be going over the front axle. If the mud is that deep it means you are going to have to do a double line pull no matter if you have a steering guard or not. An axle guard has the cross sectional area just bigger than a HD bar so shouldn't cause a problem.

There is no perfect solution, but it fit comes to either 30mins stuck and needing more technical recovery, or spending several hours replacing track rod ends in 2' of mud I know what I will go for.

Glyn Dog Sheep
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Ric



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Anyone know where I can view a fuel cooler / transmission guard online?
Can't seem to find one.

Are most if the steering guards the same size just diff thicknesses?

Sorted for diff guards
Sorted for fuel tank guard

Just need steering, cooler & transmission

Thanks its only a car!
Post #194247 17th Dec 2012 9:51am
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custom90



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Fuel cooler guard and transmission guard both available from Devon 4x4's on-line shop. Thumbs Up $W33T $0U7H3RN $UG4R
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Ric



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Thanks Steve.
I'm wanting to see a combined cooler/transmission guard its only a car!
Post #194278 17th Dec 2012 12:37pm
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jst



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Steve has some valid points which he has posted from his experience.

When we ran rogue Vogue 4 (a susuki/toyota axled vehicle) we didnt run steering guards for those reasons plus the added weight and we were seldom doing more than 25/30mph on sections when competing.

the biggest benefit i think of a steering guard (and i run them on green laners and training vehicles) is protecting the drop arm. from my experience. Cheers

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Post #194396 17th Dec 2012 6:33pm
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The unprotected fuel cooler on the front left of the Defender’s frame is a risk that is not to be underestimated for everyone who drives off-road.

Upright protruding branches pose a threat of damage not only to the fuel cooler but also to the fuel feed pipes. They can be damaged or even ripped out.The only solution that makes sense is a cover that has neither drain holes in this area nor protects it only partially.

Our protector plate for the fuel cooler is made of 4mm aluminium and can be fitted very easily with no need to drill extra holes. Open upturns against the direction of travel drain off coarse dirt quite satisfactorily and are totally impervious to light contact with thick branches. Cleaning the inside of the protective plate after extensive off-road use is made easier by the plate being open at the side, so layers of dirt can simply be hosed off with water.

To fix the fuel feed pipes laid loosely along the frame, we have fitted a small lug to the upper surface of the protector plate.

They can be fixed to it easily and effectively using a pipe clip that is included with the kit. Powerful blind-rivet nut pliers – a special tool – are required to fix the protector plate.




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Post #194403 17th Dec 2012 7:04pm
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Ric



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Right guys, thanks for your help.
QT front & Rear diff guards fitted, bruises to prove!
Steering guard ready to fit,
Fuel tank guard half fitted. Cannot get the bloody bolts to reach the front of the tank.
Clamped the two guards together, jacked up the tank/guard to help a line it all.
Going to go now and buy some longer bolts, any tips? its only a car!
Post #195312 21st Dec 2012 9:33am
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Ric



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Steering guard and fuel tank guard now on!
Longer bolts did the trick Rolling Eyes its only a car!
Post #195417 21st Dec 2012 5:19pm
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custom90



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^^^ That Entreq protection looks very purposeful and seems like a skid plate design. I would like to see the same design for the whole underside. It would then act as a giant skid plate to "slide" over any rocks or branches stumps ect. $W33T $0U7H3RN $UG4R
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Ric



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Yer, I was thinking the same while laying under the car for hrs!
So many areas subject to damage,
The QT guards look ace, however they do lower ground clearance so will prob hit things I would have missed without them on Confused
I like the fuel tank guard but by putting the tow bar back on it seemed a bit of a waste Laughing


Maybe in the new yr I'll raise it an inch, when the new wheels will be ready its only a car!
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