ZeDefender wrote:

Zagato wrote:

No need to take the rubber out, just seal it and as MOG says avoid grease

Thanks all - will only use grease in dire emergencies

I would have to order Arbomast from UK so I'll check out what e.g. Carglass use here (probably similar).

Last questions:

1) If I do get Carglass to do the whole job (they now tell me they can for around 50 quid), do you think I should get a new rubber seal? This one is only 10 months old and I can only find cheapo copies (30 quid) on the German net?

2) If the bulkhead-frame seal is leaking, I have loads of butyl tape I can use to make a permanent flexible barrier covering the foam rubber seal from the outside - is there any reason the seal has to be open to the air?

Many thanks
Matt

Honestly Matt don't use grease!

On older, out of warranty Defenders with non opening screens I've often resorted to a bead of sealant over the bulkhead to screen frame seal, it works well  Steve.
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GREENI wrote:

If it ain't broke......

On a Defender.... Probably just means you haven't noticed it's broken yet

GREENI wrote:

If it ain't broke......

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xatzhs wrote:

GREENI wrote:

If it ain't broke......

On a Defender.... Probably just means you haven't noticed it's broken yet

it - you got there first

AndrewS wrote:

This is what you need

http://www.sika.com.au/cmc/Datasheets/tds/SikaSwellS_tds.pdf

Looks good too
Blimey - perhaps we should have a window sealant database  Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
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ZeDefender wrote:

GREENI wrote:

If it ain't broke......

...it's not a Defender

Definitely catchier than mine though!

xatzhs wrote:

ZeDefender wrote:

GREENI wrote:

If it ain't broke......

...it's not a Defender

Definitely catchier than mine though!

To be honest I'm just off that the at Land Rover are too incapable to do something so easy as fit a bloody windscreen properly  Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
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Miserableolgit wrote:

The seal is just a length of closed cell foam which IIRC has a bit of self adhesive tape either side but in the past I've just used a length from a roll without the sticky tape which can be bought from extrusion / trim supplies. TBH the older they are the more likely they are to break down and act like a sponge so I can't see the harm in running a neat bead of something over the top and around the sides - just as long as it's dry underneath.

Thanks - so for now I'll cover it in butyl (the blue-tacky type) - I love the stuff
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Dean Watson wrote:

Zag/ all

Mines not leaking, would you still advise me to seal it anyway, or could this cause problems rather than eliminate them?

Yes seal it, you don't want water sitting under your rubber rotting the metal away where any paint has been scraped off whilst fitting the window or into any of the frame joins! My 5 year old TD5 frame had holes in it from this . It also stops leaks, hell you just don't fit a window without sealing it You don't take the window out just run a line of sealant under the window rubber - glass to rubber, body to rubber, this IS how old style windows where fitted. The right stuff to use has already been explained by 3 people, one in the trade. It's messy but will take no longer than 1/2 an hour for the front window for instance or better still get a local window fitter to do it all for you for £100 ish . They do it sooo quickly

It's all in the corrosion guide http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic10467.html

Look at the Puma water ingress manual, may have to Google it, says "sealing windows, glass to rubber, rubber to body" etc etc! It's all in there, it's not hard to do, only takes a day to do it all

Zagato wrote:

Look at the Puma water ingress manual

I seem to have downloaded a copy where the windscreen wasn't mentioned
Must check again

I agree with everything you say but the OCD in me still wonders if taking it all to pieces and sealing everything on assembly (if possible) might be better

However, I'm slowly being convinced to do it your way - and it's stopped raining for a while

Go on, shout at me

p.s. plus I'm rubbish and messy at any kind of sealing/painting - you would yourself laughing if you saw our shower tray  Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
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