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Davidarnol



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United Kingdom 1995 Defender 90 300 Tdi HT Epsom Green
Rear spring halfway out of chassis mount?
I was Checking around under my newly bought 300tdi defender (2”lift) and noticed that the rear, passenger side coil spring was halfway out of the chassis mount, it seems to be fully intact, I think it will be easy to relocate but what could have caused that to happen?, no off-roading, just driving on rough tracks, also noticed when I bought it that it was riding lower at the back than the front, but drives and handles perfectly, any ideas?
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Dinnu



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Malta 2012 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 CSW Santorini Black
An happen when dampers are too long and allow the axle to drop too much when it articulates. Hence some fit dislocation cones, so they guide the spring back into the chassis perch. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black
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Bluest



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Java Black
Sounds like a bit of a mismatch between shocks and springs. This can happen on full articulation if the shock allows more down travel than the distance the spring can extend cause it to dislocate. It shouldn’t happen in normal driving. Usually a relocation cone would be fitted so spring goes back on the seat. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
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Davidarnol



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United Kingdom 1995 Defender 90 300 Tdi HT Epsom Green
I jacked the body up and the spring came loose just @ when the road wheel was clear of the deck, I just put it in place and lowered the jack, I guess dislocation / relocation cones are the next step, I am now wondering if it is a standard spring with longer shocks for some reason, as it is a little lower at the back than the front, thanks for all the suggestions
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Dinnu



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Malta 2012 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 CSW Santorini Black
This site might be useful:
https://gwynlewis4x4.co.uk/wp-content/uplo...rments.pdf

Check if you have spacers between the axle and the spring seat. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black
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Davidarnol



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United Kingdom 1995 Defender 90 300 Tdi HT Epsom Green
Thanks for the link. No spacers on the rear and spring height shows no lift, front shows over 2” lift, is it possible that someone has fitted the front springs on the rear and rears on the front? All components are new and bright yellow but I don’t see any numbers or makers names on them.
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Chicken Drumstick



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Lots of options on springs, depends what the vehicle has been doing in its life. If it ever have a winch and/or bullbar on, a person may well have put different springs on the front.

As for the rear springs falling out. You could change the shocks to a standard length. Change the spring to a longer one. Or even just retain the spring at the top, some thick heavy duty cable ties might do the job or a jubilee clip.

Dislocation cones are only one option.
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TexasRover



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France 2002 Defender 110 Td5 DCPU Chawton White
what could have caused that to happen?

The 2" lift caused that to happen. This is exactly why insurers have to be informed of changes to the factory specs. Mistakes are easily made and why should the insurance cover someone's incompetency.

You purchased the vehicle recently. Anything that is not factory should raise a red flag. Your 2" lift is also not doing your moose test any good..
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jst



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 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Stornoway Grey
typical example of a poorly executed suspension 'upgrade' i am afraid.

Springs and shocks not matched.

Options

retain the spring - at top - jubille clips on side.

fit dislocation

change shocks

Yellow is prob Britpart Cheers

James
110 2012 XS Utility
130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper
90 2010 Hardtop
90 M57 1988 Hardtop
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the_lincs_landies



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Isn't yellow Old Man Emu too?
That said, its more likely to be Britpart, isnt it...
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Chicken Drumstick



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TexasRover wrote:
what could have caused that to happen?

The 2" lift caused that to happen. This is exactly why insurers have to be informed of changes to the factory specs. Mistakes are easily made and why should the insurance cover someone's incompetency.

You purchased the vehicle recently. Anything that is not factory should raise a red flag. Your 2" lift is also not doing your moose test any good..

Moose test. give it a break. Would make no odds what so ever most likely. We also don't know what exactly has or hasn't been done.

Nothing to get hysterical about at any rate. A standard 90 on standard shocks and springs is perfectly capable of popping the rear springs out, esp once it has done a few miles and the bushes all bedded in. The spring is retained at the bottom (or should be as standard), so it won't fall out, it will just not seat correctly, but will still work.
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landy andy



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the_lincs_landies wrote:
Isn't yellow Old Man Emu too?
That said, its more likely to be Britpart, isnt it...


OME springs are black, and their dampers yellow. Thumbs Up
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the_lincs_landies



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Good to know, thanks @Landy Andy!
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jst



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the_lincs_landies wrote:
Isn't yellow Old Man Emu too?
That said, its more likely to be Britpart, isnt it...


No, black. Cheers

James
110 2012 XS Utility
130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper
90 2010 Hardtop
90 M57 1988 Hardtop
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