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TomB8 Member Since: 17 Nov 2022 Location: West Sussex Posts: 115 |
As per title, I am interested to know if anyone has tried the cheap(ish) 300tdi intercoolers off ebay.
I know there are varying schools of thought as to whether an upgrade is worth it or not and what size to get to limit turbo lag, but the one on mine is coming up 28 years old and falling apart so may as well get a new one. Would rather not part with £450 for an allisport or airtec (did try allard but they no longer make them). https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/363101556214?ha...BMsuPAsMhh Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. |
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14th Feb 2023 11:04am |
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TomB8 Member Since: 17 Nov 2022 Location: West Sussex Posts: 115 |
Thanks, Camelman. I know used ones are cheap, but most will be 20 years old now and I will be tweaking the fuel pump so may as well get a big 'un.
Sorry, perhaps I should have clarified that it is my intention to squeeze some extra ponies out of the old girl. |
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14th Feb 2023 11:33am |
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geobloke Member Since: 06 Nov 2012 Location: Nottinghamshire Posts: 4410 |
Well it is a double pass through which is good. The pipe junctions are swaged which is excellent. Looks like it has all the right mounting gear, as long as they line up. The welds are a little "rustic" but as long as they are good and sealed it should work as intended.
My first double pass through I fitted to my 200tdi didn't have swaged pipes... Had to DIY them as the pipes had the habit of sliding off. The difference over the standard intercooler (with very mild pump tweak and increase in boost) was excellent. Turned Eva in to a great cruiser even with RTT on top and full laden. I regret getting rid of her now All I had to do was trim the front panel a touch, remove the bonnet stays and fit the intercooler. |
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14th Feb 2023 11:36am |
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TomB8 Member Since: 17 Nov 2022 Location: West Sussex Posts: 115 |
Thanks, Geobloke. That's a nice looking truck! Does the removal of the bonet stays have any impact?
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14th Feb 2023 2:37pm |
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geobloke Member Since: 06 Nov 2012 Location: Nottinghamshire Posts: 4410 |
Thanks I miss the ol girl...
Ok, the bonnet stay remains in place. But the slam panel supports (the diagonal ones behind the grill) have to be removed to fit the full width intercooler. IIRC I did have to remove a little material from the bonnet release pin (centre of the bonnet with the spring). It needed about 5mm or so removing to clear the top of the intercooler. But bear in mind the intercooler I fitted was a decade ago and the design might have changed to prevent the need to trim the pin. My feelings on the intercooler I fitted were that it was a great modification for the TDI and I would definitely do it again. |
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14th Feb 2023 3:43pm |
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TomB8 Member Since: 17 Nov 2022 Location: West Sussex Posts: 115 |
Thanks, I knew what you meant. Having read a few other writeups I have concluded that the support the slam panel supports are replaced by the intercooler - in that the intercooler supports the slam panel instead. I will try to remember that the pin sticks out and may need trimming!
I started mucking with the pump yesterday. Turned the diaphragm pin but no smoke, definitely a bit more poke though. Now, if I can just get the power up to the same as my TDV8 FFRR I will be happy |
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16th Feb 2023 12:37am |
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geobloke Member Since: 06 Nov 2012 Location: Nottinghamshire Posts: 4410 |
I actually found the instructions I wrote for this install... Might be useful for you. As for the pump there is always the modified pump pin kit by Fourby... Or do some searches for the Bosch VE pump as it was used in all sorts of vehicles including Gen 1 Dodge Rams with Cummins etc. Loads out there on the subject.
https://fourby.co.uk/epages/950004277.mobi...cts/TUNING
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16th Feb 2023 10:33am |
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Dave T Member Since: 07 Jun 2013 Location: Glasgow Posts: 490 |
I went for one of these
https://b7performance.com/products/airtec-...fender-300 very simple to fit and the only mod was to cut about 1 cm from the bonnet catch 2015 RRS Autobiography SDV6 1994 Def 90 300tdi |
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16th Feb 2023 12:25pm |
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TomB8 Member Since: 17 Nov 2022 Location: West Sussex Posts: 115 |
Geolander, that's really helpful thanks. There aren't many videos on installing full width intercoolers. I am on the fence about boost pins and rings. Some suggest its worth it and others say the same result can achieved with some tuning. From what I can tell compared to turning the standard pin to max is the altered geometry of the pin allows less fuel (and therefore smoke) off boost, with similar or improved fuel at full boost. I haven't seen one in person though. The jury is still out on the ring, more research is needed.
The other thing I am considering is taking the wastegate pressure from the manifold, which does seem like a good idea in principal. However, if there is a boost leak I am guessing the turbo would end up over boosting as the wastegate would receive no pressure. Perhaps plumbing a boost gauge into the manifold would show any leaks before this became a problem. Dave, thank you. That's useful to know. I wonder why the airtech requires less modification than the others. i.e. cutting back the grille surround. The airtech is still quite expensive, almost as much as allisport. |
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17th Feb 2023 10:39am |
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geobloke Member Since: 06 Nov 2012 Location: Nottinghamshire Posts: 4410 |
Ah ha.... I knew I had other information somewhere...
This is the Dodge RAM VE pump instructions https://www.oka4wd.com/media/kunena/attach...orpump.pdf These are what Allisport used to send out with their FS intercoolers Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge and a review from Land Rover Web of the Allisport FS intercooler https://www.landroverweb.com/landrover/pro...-a-200tdi/ |
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17th Feb 2023 11:21am |
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Dave T Member Since: 07 Jun 2013 Location: Glasgow Posts: 490 |
I first bought a cheap Chinese side mounted updated intercooler to replace my original which was bungee up with mud and the canes were bent, it made not a jot of a difference. There’s an old saying………you get what you pay for, it’s even more true these days 2015 RRS Autobiography SDV6 1994 Def 90 300tdi |
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18th Feb 2023 10:38am |
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TomB8 Member Since: 17 Nov 2022 Location: West Sussex Posts: 115 |
Geolander,
thank you once again. I have read all of that and it accords with my understanding. I was intrigued as to what instructions came with the allisport, so very interesting to see - although slightly disappointing with the lack of detail with tuning the pump. Your post/how to is very helpful. I had found it on another forum, but hadn't clocked the name until now. Dave, I take it the airtech did give you better performance/lower egt's? I could be completely incorrect here, these are just immediate brain thoughts - an improperly designed double thickness intercooler is probably not going to perform as well as an improperly designed full width intercooler (not terribly designed, just mediocre) if the air takes the path of least resistance and more readily flows though the rad. Whereas the full width may have the same surface area but less resistance to go though such thickness. Of course, that could be b*****ks and the full width just blocks the flow of air to the rad making things double worse. Shame, but the old tdi's are probably too long in the tooth for someone to be interested in doing a proper test with a few different intercoolers to determine which is best. I'm going to go cheap as the defender is just a toy for local travel and maybe a pay and play. If a nice intercooler comes up 2nd had for reasonable money in time I may buy it to try it out. If I do, I will report back. |
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20th Feb 2023 11:55pm |
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Chicken Drumstick Member Since: 17 Aug 2020 Location: Near MK Posts: 721 |
TBH I wouldn't worry too much. It is a well trodden path that a big intercooler does bring benefits. On a stock vehicle you'll only notice maybe a slightly more egerness to rev. Although it will be having some impact.
But it also depends on your exact Tdi. They aren't all equal and some are flat as a fart out of the factory and even with tuning they will never run as well as some others. If you plan to tweak the pump and maybe up the boost and run a different exhaust. Then there are plenty of gains to be had. Headline figures will not be huge, but it'll drive and feel like you've gained a 100hp (even though you haven't). It is the below the curve performance that is more important than the PEAK numbers. On this basis, I wouldn't worry about reinventing the wheel. Just do what others have been doing for the past couple of decades. |
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21st Feb 2023 12:12pm |
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natyeo Member Since: 27 Jan 2013 Location: Bentham Posts: 136 |
Click image to enlarge I Fitted a std space one but deeper (Extra row) from same supplier Click image to enlarge to my 200 tdi 110 SW with fuel pump turned up just a little and it now pulls well with my overdrive nicely on a motorway at 70 to 75 without rev-ing hard Ebay link https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/125762808716?_t...%3A2047675 2014 2.2 90 hard top , Warm M8000 , Scorpain winch bumper, Ashcroft rear atb 2012 2.2 tdci 110 Utility 1993 110 CSW Warn M8000 , Scorpain winch bumper , 2" lift , Roamerdive overdrive, on going 1971 Hybird 200tdi, 2 x truetracs,Extrem winch bumper, M8000, GKN overdrive & Coils 2" lift, Glynn Lewis cranked rear trail arms 1971 Series 3 88, Perkins 4203,M8000,SATs,O/D, |
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22nd Feb 2023 8:38pm |
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