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walfy



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Recession
Well I'm confused, been trying to sell my 110 on and off for 12 months now, reduced it massively but still isn't selling, but I put my toy up for sale. My Polaris RZR, price it sensibly, or what I thought was sensible money and I was inundated with offers.
I had 4 viewings lined up over the Fri, Sat and Sun this weekend. Plus plenty of other offers from the various places it was advertised.

So what I don't get is the Defender for sale is VAT claimable so a good investment for a small company and no real interest yet a toy priced at over £7K sells in a matter of a couple of days.

Has anyone told the people living in the SW that there is a recession coming as it seems they have a load of money to chuck at what is essentially an expensive toy.

Anyone else seeing this in other parts of the country? 110 D250 SE HT
110 USW SOLD
RRE HSE Dynamic Gone, wife killed it
VOLVO XC60 R Dynamic with some toys

Polaris RZR 900XP SOLD
Post #970979 13th Nov 2022 3:49pm
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Tim in Scotland



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I sold my 1996 TDi300 90 County in September in 3 days and got exactly what I was asking for it. Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed!
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LandRoverAnorak



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I'd imagine that the business market for 2nd hand Defenders is pretty small these days, so I suspect the fact that the VAT is reclaimable on yours isn't particularly useful, unfortunately. My 110 is not dissimilar to yours and if I was to advertise it then I'd be hoping for around the 30k mark, but the market is fickle and the hype around them has faded somewhat now that the new one is becoming more available. Darren

110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak

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Post #971003 13th Nov 2022 6:04pm
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OsloBlue



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Location: Essex
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United Kingdom 2003 Defender 110 Td5 XS CSW Oslo Blue
With restrictions on diesels springing up i every other city i would be hesitant to look at diesel vehicles going forward. Especially a defender which i'm expecting most will soon rapidly depreciate as the areas they can go become restricted. I'm on IG: https://www.instagram.com/osloblue42/
Current: TD5 '110 "Lucinda" Thread here: https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic62562.html
Post #971035 13th Nov 2022 9:20pm
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Procta



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also its leading up to xmas too which may put off sales Defender TD5 90 ---/--- Peugeot 306 HDI hatch back

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Post #971041 13th Nov 2022 9:55pm
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geobloke



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I think we might begin to see the asking price for a used Defender begin to come down a bit. You do not say what your asking price was/is, but since LRA says he wouldn't sell his for less than £30k I will use £40k as the threshold.

For Defenders sold on eBay UK and MY 2003-2016:

Price Vs Model


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Price Vs Model Year


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Date Vs Price


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Data doesn't lie... Rolling Eyes It would have to be a very special Defender to sell over £30k at the present time.

The average selling price is a smidge over £15k and if you take the threshold at 25k (removing the two outliers)... then the average drops to a smidge below £14k.

Defender 90's are selling between £7-25k, but the majority are below £17k.

Defender 110's between £7-35k, but the majority are below £23k.

Not surprisingly or maybe surprisingly all the sales of Defenders occur in the first half of the month.

This obviously does not take in to account mileage or condition.

Interesting though.
Post #971083 14th Nov 2022 10:51am
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kenzle8a



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I suspect if it were a 90 it would have sold quicker.

32k + vat is still strong money for a small business to tie up on one asset at the present time unless said owner really really wants a Defender and really appreciates your efforts on your's as opposed to one thats 10k less but a in a far worse state.
Post #971096 14th Nov 2022 11:44am
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miker



Member Since: 13 Sep 2015
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United Kingdom 1999 Defender 110 Td5 CSW Rioja Red
Businesses are usually sensible and need to make a return on a vehicle. People buying a £7k toy are not the people that will be affected by the current fiscal environment!
Post #971119 14th Nov 2022 3:31pm
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1NRO



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It’s still the case that folks might fall into the inflated price trap (on pretty much everything) but not quite as likely as it was.
Post #971129 14th Nov 2022 5:11pm
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Nick-St



Member Since: 23 Apr 2013
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United Kingdom 2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Corris Grey
Depending on company type / ownership etc you may be better off buying it from the company yourself at the book value (presumably considerably less than the £32k as it will be depreciating in the books every year) and paying the VAT yourself. If you sell it through the business for more than the book value, you'll pay tax on the profits anyway.

You'll then be able to sell it privately cheaper without actually losing any money...
Post #971146 14th Nov 2022 7:01pm
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camelman



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Nick-St wrote:
Depending on company type / ownership etc you may be better off buying it from the company yourself at the book value (presumably considerably less than the £32k as it will be depreciating in the books every year) and paying the VAT yourself. If you sell it through the business for more than the book value, you'll pay tax on the profits anyway.

You'll then be able to sell it privately cheaper without actually losing any money...



HMRC guidance is pretty clear when it comes to disposal of assets to 'connected' persons at less than market value. It is the market value, not the book or sale price (if lower) which is to be used to determine VAT liability and and any resultant tax liability to the business. Could be viewed as tax avoidance otherwise.

Vat man isnt daft and wouldn't take kindly.to being done out of £5k vat and potentially similar amount of corporation tax to hmrc.

https://www.gov.uk/hmrc-internal-manuals/v...atval07300

https://mileiq.com/blog-en-gb/selling-busi...ble-income 
Post #971150 14th Nov 2022 7:23pm
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walfy



Member Since: 29 Aug 2007
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Many thanks for the feedback. And I've taken onboard the advice and comments and adjusted my price accordingly.


I need the 110 gone sooner rather than later. It's now priced at £32K incl VAT, which comes in at £26500 + VAT

Lets hope someone is in need of a nice 110 with some nice additions. 110 D250 SE HT
110 USW SOLD
RRE HSE Dynamic Gone, wife killed it
VOLVO XC60 R Dynamic with some toys

Polaris RZR 900XP SOLD
Post #971196 15th Nov 2022 8:59am
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