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| Mossberg Member Since: 29 Feb 2020 Location: Lancs Posts: 553   
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I think I was advised to soak the fibre bush in ep90 before fitting so that's what I did. I haven’t done many miles since so can't comment further- I also used one-shot grease.
Also be aware the preload is different for rialco compared to bearings top/bottom. I think rialco is about 4kg compared to around 1.6kg for the bearings. |
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3rd Oct 2022 6:35pm |
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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3410  
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Thanks for the tip
 will let them soak for a few days in gear oil.
And for the reminder on the preload.
They seem to have short life, 128kmiles on 2nd set, but so badly worn, so at best can get 40kmiles before play is noticeable? Is that normal? 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing 2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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3rd Oct 2022 7:03pm |
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| Mossberg Member Since: 29 Feb 2020 Location: Lancs Posts: 553
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Sorry I can't answer that as I have not done hardly any miles since I rebuilt my swivels earlier this year.
Also, another point, when you fill with one shot grease, take one of the top swivel bolts out to allow the air to escape as you fill with grease. Also you need to put your swivel on full lock (can't remember which way) to allow the grease into the housing. |
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3rd Oct 2022 7:16pm |
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| htb2 Member Since: 02 Nov 2018 Location: Carmarthenshire Posts: 529 
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Whichever hub your filling turn to pointing out.
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3rd Oct 2022 7:39pm |
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| Retroanaconda Member Since: 04 Jan 2012 Location: Scotland Posts: 2639 
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Not normal to have play at that low a mileage. I rebuilt the swivels on my 90 in 2009 and they were still fine when I fully rebuilt the car in 2021 around 240,000 miles later.
I would always run oil in the earlier type swivel, the only reason not to do so is because the grease (apparently) doesn’t leak out as easily. But if your seals and swivel balls are good there won’t be any leaks. |
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3rd Oct 2022 8:28pm |
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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3410
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Hmmmm, I do not know if it has to do with the topology of where my 90 lives. There is no stretch of straight road longer than 200m
 meters not miles so the bushes do see a lot of use.
I have always used EP90 in my early swivels. They never leaked enough to mark the tyre, but the swivel was always moist, attracting dust. The chrome on the balls is still perfect, so maybe I could keep using EP90. Can always drain and fill with grease later. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing 2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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4th Oct 2022 3:06am |
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| geobloke Member Since: 06 Nov 2012 Location: Nottinghamshire Posts: 4410
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Hi Dinnu.
Just so you know even with one shot grease (OSG) dust will stick to the swivels. If this is a reason for thinking about OSG. I guess the only decent way to prevent it would be gaiters. Just not Britpart ones as they are rubbish. |
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4th Oct 2022 8:18am |
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| Mossberg Member Since: 29 Feb 2020 Location: Lancs Posts: 553
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Can you mix ep90 with one shot grease?
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4th Oct 2022 10:31am |
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| geobloke Member Since: 06 Nov 2012 Location: Nottinghamshire Posts: 4410
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Yes you can. There are a number of Series owners that do this when they have an overdrive fitted to reduce whine.
But I have not heard of anyone doing it deliberately in Defender swivels. Having said that anyone who has had the half shaft seal leak in to their swivels will attest that the grease and EP90 mix. Whether that is advisable long-term I do not know... |
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4th Oct 2022 10:43am |
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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11324
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Blimey, this is a blast from the past! I remember many a heated discussion about the relative merits of oil v grease on the bulletin boards and email lists of the day when the latter was first introduced. ISTR they centred around whether grease would provide adequate splash lubrication to top bushes. Despite the doom and gloom predictions at the time though, I don't think that grease has ever been shown to be detrimental. The grease liquifies when warm, which I don't think was initially understood.
To answer Mossberg's question, yes you can, up to a point anyway. If you've used EP90 and then drain it to put grease in, the oil residue won't make any difference. A significant volume though, would negate the benefit of the grease. Darren 110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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4th Oct 2022 10:44am |
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| geobloke Member Since: 06 Nov 2012 Location: Nottinghamshire Posts: 4410
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You are not wrong about this being a blast from the past topic LRA. The key thing is that the grease is fairly liquid already, it's not as stiff as general purpose grease, and after a decent drive does become less viscous to the point of being able to be flung around inside the swivel. I guess the other thing to consider is that the upper bearing really doesn't do very much work, as with a rotating wheel bearing, so how much constant lubrication does it actually need. But as you say, many many heated conversations have been had on this topic. Having said that I do remember a number of garage mechs that used to add a splash of EP90 in with the one shot grease to "help" with lubrication.  |
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4th Oct 2022 10:55am |
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| Mo Murphy Member Since: 01 Jun 2008 Location: Letchworth Garden City, Herts Posts: 2219 
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I've used one shot in my 1985 swivels for the last 12 years without problems.
Mo The Land Rover 90 - Many are called, few are chosen. 50 Shades of Pennine Grey |
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4th Oct 2022 12:52pm |
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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3410
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Hmmm, I was referring to the swiveling part, where the stub axle bolts to, rather than the ball. My later Defender has dry swivels, and I thought that is thanks to the OSG. But maybe the swivels on my old 90 were also dry when it was 10 years old 
I am confused now what I should use. There seems to be pros and cons to both. I am now back to liking the idea that if I need to open the swivels again with EP90, is less of a mess than the dark grey OSG. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing 2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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4th Oct 2022 1:11pm |
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| geobloke Member Since: 06 Nov 2012 Location: Nottinghamshire Posts: 4410
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If I were you I would be using EP90 as that is what was specified for Rialko swivels. But I doubt that if you have soaked the railko before hand and used OSG that you'd experience any problems.
Flip of the coin |
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4th Oct 2022 1:19pm |
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