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hezor



Member Since: 01 Feb 2021
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Finland 
RDR wrote:
Was hoping they would offer the 3.0l longer range phev option with the 130. Still quite like the look, will speak to dealer tomorrow.


I don't think that's gonna happen. The new Range Rover is built on a completely new platform that takes account the need for an EV battery, and the battery is located conveniently under the car. The Defender is not built on an EV platform meaning that in 110 PHEV they put the battery under the boot floor where it sticks out a bit. So a 130 PHEV sounds unlikely considering it is is always an 8-seater, so there is no room to install the battery unless they switch to a whole new platform (eg. the MLA Flex seen in new Range Rover already). 22MY Defender 110 P400e SE w/ Off-Road Pack, Driver Assist Pack, Cold Climate Pack, Comfort & Convenience Pack + ClearSight Rear-View Mirror & 11.4" Infotainment Screen
Post #954254 1st Jun 2022 4:53am
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BrickBox



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Wales 2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Zermatt Silver
Hairy Dan wrote:
BrickBox wrote:


Proper boot with the 3rd row seats tucked away.


I wouldn't exactly call them tucked away, ridiculous that it hasn't got a flat floor Rolling Eyes



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I cannot believe what I am seeing. There’s me ASSUMING a 3rd row will always fold flat, like every other Land Rover has done previously… absolutely baffled by this design… Shocked 2008 2.4 110 Utility Station Wagon XS.
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LRSpain004



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Spain 
I have a 2018 Toyota Prado 7 seat (after many Defenders) and the seats are designed to simply fold and create a flat floor. This car was designed at least 10 years ago. I can only conclude the photograph er didn't know how to fold them flat before shooting, as that is a Rolling with laughter
Post #954266 1st Jun 2022 7:20am
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Tim in Scotland



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Looks like the 130’s 3rd row were lifted lock, stock and barrel from the 2nd row of seats in a 90 without any thought about use of the load carrying ability of the car. Cost cutting again………. Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed!
Post #954268 1st Jun 2022 7:22am
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RDR



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That’s rubbish Confused They have known how to make flat folding seats for over 15years the D3 was a great setup. This stinks if reusing parts to do it on the cheap. 110 MY23.5 X Dynamic HSE
RR MY23 HSE PHEV
D5 MY19 HSE - Now Sold
D4 MY16 HSE Luxury - Now Sold
D4 MY12 HSE - Gone
D3 MY06 S - Gone but not forgotten
Post #954270 1st Jun 2022 7:31am
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LandRoverAnorak



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United Kingdom 
It's difficult to understand how they've taken such a massive step backwards in this area when compared to the D3/4 Confused Darren

110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak

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Post #954274 1st Jun 2022 7:41am
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familymad



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 2016 Defender 130 Puma 2.2 HCPU Santorini Black
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1995 110 300TDI
1995 90 300TDI
Post #954277 1st Jun 2022 8:15am
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kenzle8a



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Ah Gerry's reductive philosophy in this case meaning inventing less parts...
Post #954281 1st Jun 2022 9:07am
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spudfan



Member Since: 10 Sep 2007
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Ireland 
BrickBox wrote:
Hairy Dan wrote:
BrickBox wrote:


Proper boot with the 3rd row seats tucked away.


I wouldn't exactly call them tucked away, ridiculous that it hasn't got a flat floor Rolling Eyes



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I cannot believe what I am seeing. There’s me ASSUMING a 3rd row will always fold flat, like every other Land Rover has done previously… absolutely baffled by this design… Shocked

I have slept in the back of a 90, I have slept in the back of a 110 but I do not see how I could sleep in the back of that. The length is great but the uneven seats just destroy the practicality. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai
Post #954401 2nd Jun 2022 9:55am
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Sepp



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Germany 
To me it looks like they did not lift the cushion prior to folding the squab. If I do this on the 110 I get similar uneven floor.
So I assume that with properly lifted cushions the seats will fold flat.
The step between boot floor and folded seats will remain however, just like in the 90.
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Ashbyandy



Member Since: 17 Dec 2015
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England 2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 Adventure Phoenix Orange
They’ve totally lost the plot with this seat setup. As others have said, just look at disco 3/4, so well planned out, mine was to carry all sorts, couldn’t do it with this. Do you think JLR really know what people want and need from these vehicles 🤔, or is Gerry really so far up his own arse, that he doesn’t care. Rolling with laughter Rolling with laughter Rolling with laughter

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Hairy Dan



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United Kingdom 1998 Defender 90 V8 Petrol 50th Auto Chawton White
If you can get away with just 5 seats you can get a reasonably flat floor, but I would have thought the main reason for the extra length is the extra seating available Confused



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markb110



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England 2002 Defender 90 Td5 HT Epsom Green
Rivian has shown the way forward…….and shows how far JLR are lagging behind

However, it’s not priced to encourage the masses into what would be a very practical and stylish EV station wagon.

But then, what is these days…….. Big Cry
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JackW



Member Since: 09 Jan 2017
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United States 1998 Defender 90 300 Tdi SW Coniston Green
Apparently the 5 seat version is not currently available for order in the USA - plus no diesel or four cylinder models. The step up for the rearmost seat like the one in the 90 really screws up the concept of the flat floor.
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zilch



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Australia 
guestimates that in the land down under is that the 130 is going to come in at about $24K Aussie
above their equivalent 110 versions. Our 110 7 seat SE delivery cost including full list of options, dealer
bits and the exorbitant government $$ charges is the equivalent of the starting price for the 130 and
that is before you add the equivalent factory and dealer options i had Laughing

https://www.drive.com.au/news/2023-land-ro...australia/ yet another pommie bar steward down under

MY20 110 P400 SE Defender
MY10 3.0 RR Sport
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