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Gasket



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Rustproof, high-tensile bolt options?
I'm soon to fit my new front and rear recovery points as well as changing the bumper bolts.

Of course, I have a stack of Grade 8.8 bolts ready to fit.... but I really would prefer them to be stainless rather than watching the BZP coating turn steadily orange.

I know that using stainless bolts (or at least A2 stainless) on a recovery point is a no-no... but is there an alternative - for example a high-tensile grade of stainless or some exotic metal (adamantium, unobtanium Smile ) that will stay shiny silver? Its such a small number of bolts that I could justify spending a disproportionate amount on speciality ones.

Sadly, galvanised bolts (at least on the rear) are out due to them having oversized threads and there being (at least some) captive nuts.
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SJM2018



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United Kingdom 2011 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Aintree Green
I thought about this recently; could you cold blue them?

I know bluing doesn't offer much protection, but with a regular squirt of ACF-50 / Bilt Hammer Atom Mac too, they might last longer before turning orange. 2011 CSW XS 90
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NormanD



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England 2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Santorini Black
Why not use Zinc Plated and Passivated Socket Head Bolts (Grade 12.9) available from most Fastener Suppliers. Relatively cheap and if they corrode just replace them NormanD WE191

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Screbble



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United Kingdom 2004 Defender 90 Td5 XS CSW Zambezi Silver
A4-80 Stainless Steel is roughly the equivalent to high tensile steel.

Have a look at https://yrmit.co.uk/

It’s like a sweet shop to me…

Beware of galling though Thumbs Up
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Co1



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What scrabble said, A4 stainless.
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Gasket



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wow!!

I had no idea that i would be that simple. Thank you.

Its easy when you know what to search for: Googling A4 stainless shows a page from Spalding Fasteners with this handy set of bullet points:

Which Material?

We stock fasteners in a variety of materials, including the following:

A2 Grade Stainless Steel - This is resistant to rust but is not strong nor resistant to salt water.

A4 Grade Stainless Steel - This is resistant to rust in marine conditions and is stronger than A2. It is equal strength to 8.8 Grade Steel.

Mild Steel - This is not a strong material and is mainly used for nuts and washers. We stock this in zinc plated.

High Tensile 8.8 Grade Steel - This is steel that is classified as High Tensile (8.8 Grade is the lowest grade of high tensile available) We stock some items zinc plated and others in self colour (no plating).

High Tensile 10.9 Grade Steel - This is a stronger grade of High Tensile Steel.

High Tensile 12.9 Grade Steel - This is a stronger still grade of High Tensile Steel.
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Pacha



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United Kingdom 2008 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 HT Stornoway Grey
Co1 wrote:
What scrabble said, A4 stainless.


Yep, this. Rgds.

Chris
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db950



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United Kingdom 1997 Defender 110 300 Tdi HT Nato Green
Personally I wouldn’t use stainless bolts of any grade on a recovery point or any high stress fixing.
For a recovery point a 10.9 tensile bolt would be better.
FYI, Land Rover extensively use Geomet 500 coated flange headed bolts and resist corrosion quite well. 1997 Ex-MOD 110, Pop Top Camper, build thread https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic72352.html
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Dinnu



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Malta 2012 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 CSW Santorini Black
Keep in mind that the A4-70 is a bit more common than A4-80.
The 70 and 80 stand for the tensile strength, i.e. 700 and 800N/mm^2 respectively.
So the A4-80 are almost as strong as a grade 8.8 steel bolt, but not as strong.
If you want to have same strength as a 10.9 equivalent, but still in grade A4-80, then can consider over sizing the bolt, by replacing M10 with M12 if that is possible. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
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