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spudfan



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So you are thinking of buying an EV.....
This program will be on Channel 4 on Friday.

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..but..but..but...its greeeeeeeeen... Laughing
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Thinking of browsing this website...
Currently, the largest use of cobalt is in portable consumer electronics like your cell phones, laptop computers, and tablets, which are all powered by lithium-ion batteries...

Tesla has already moved to lithium-iron-phosphate (LFP) chemistry rather than nickel-cobalt-aluminum for some vehicles, and other EV makers are similarly placed.
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None of its 'green' though......
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spudfan



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I have a "Tonga Green" puma Rolling with laughter 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai
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Supacat



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90 Dreamer wrote:
None of its 'green' though......


I guess that depends on your perspective...
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Very dependent on where you live I'd say also.

Quite fed up of seeing memes like these all over the place though, despite how little love I have for EVs



It really doesn't take much time (ie less than a minute) to work out that a large portion of energy consumption in the UK comes from renewables. And if residing somewhere like Scotland, it's very nearly 100% Stuart


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Lol, agree.

Suits a narrative. Would that be a Coal power station by any chance? Which provided 1.6% of the UK's electricity in 2020

I buy my electric from 100% renewable. For both home and business.
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Didn't you say on a different thread you were with Bulb?

"When Bulb claims to supply renewable electricity ‘wherever possible’, it means just 4% of the time"

https://www.goodenergy.co.uk/blog/2021/06/...-the-time/

And then Shell pulled the carpet from under them?
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pjm-84 wrote:
Lol, agree.

Suits a narrative. Would that be a Coal power station by any chance? Which provided 1.6% of the UK's electricity in 2020

I buy my electric from 100% renewable. For both home and business.


Whilst your supplier may only provide renewable energy to the grid, what you actually use could have come from any supplier, it’s a massive marketing trick by the providers and at some point recently you will have used energy from non renewable sources no matter what the provider says 👍
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pjm-84



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But I have PVs Thumbs Up I don't have a problem with REGO. I'm aware in the car industry that a lot buy green credits from Tesla. Still ordered an LR though, or is that the BMW.

Similarly I use Shell. Pay 0.5p a litre more for fuel and they "green wash" elsewhere to offset.

From Bulb's website

https://help.bulb.co.uk/hc/en-us/articles/...lectricity
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pjm-84 wrote:
I don't have a problem with REGO.

You should do ~ they're empty certificates exploiting a loophole in the regulations:

https://indd.adobe.com/view/e5febc9c-8ced-47e5-b376-f97fd51137af

What do you think you are buying/funding?

It's definitely not this:

pjm-84 wrote:
I buy my electric from 100% renewable. For both home and business.
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Supacat



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jimbo55 wrote:
Whilst your supplier may only provide renewable energy to the grid, what you actually use could have come from any supplier, it’s a massive marketing trick by the providers and at some point recently you will have used energy from non renewable sources no matter what the provider says 👍


Yes - it's an abstract idea, but it's hardly "a massive marketing trick" if the energy you have bought is directly linked to a Power Purchase Agreement. You are paying for the renewable energy to be generated and put into the national grid, who consumes it and where is beside the point - it's the collective good you are doing.
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You would be naive to think that you can buy 100% renewable, without offsetting. I'm aware that people use the opposite argument to justify doing nothing and their position.

Here is the car version.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industr...tesla-grow

I'm pretty sure I can find alternative schemes throughout the industry. Anyway for business use I have a nice certificate on recycled paper that tells me have much CO2 I have saved by buying 100% renewable energy.

The Shell one is also an offset scheme which I contribute to.
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pjm-84 wrote:
You would be naive to think that you can buy 100% renewable, without offsetting.

And yet here they are:

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What are you offsetting - you are funding near useless empty certificates bought on a secondary market?


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