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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3150   
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Thay would be useful, but I am not on the disco forum, if anyone knows him could they please pass on my details? Thanks. 2011 110 USW 1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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29th Sep 2011 6:02pm |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3150
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I made a phone call to the policy director at VOSA in Bristol who basically confirmed what POM had already found out, there are no plans to scrap the 4x4 vehicle exemption for towing, irrespective of the trailer weight. He admitted that the backlash if they did try to stop it would be huge, and also he felt there was no real reason to do so anyway. The new law will apply to a van towing a trailer though, which could have an effect on a few business. He also confirmed that my vehicle does qualify as exempt (his words were "every british-built Landrover or similar japanese vehicles) is exempt. The weight question is something they don't worry too much about it seems, as Landrovers own figures are more like a kerb weight anyway as they do include a driver and fuel, in fact VOSA seem to accept that there are no published "unladen weights" for 4x4s.
So i'm a fairly happy bunny today. 2011 110 USW 1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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3rd Oct 2011 6:12pm |
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| JSG Member Since: 12 Jul 2007 Location: Berkshire Posts: 2412 
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So it will affect some of the Transit driving mobile home dwelling tarmac laying people then? Can't see them paying for it any more than they do now  John
http://www.hampshire4x4response.co.uk 2011 Tdci 110 CSW XS |
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3rd Oct 2011 6:59pm |
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| JSG Member Since: 12 Jul 2007 Location: Berkshire Posts: 2412
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Exempt John
http://www.hampshire4x4response.co.uk 2011 Tdci 110 CSW XS |
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3rd Oct 2011 7:16pm |
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| leeds Member Since: 28 Dec 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 8582
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Succinct answer Thank you Brendan |
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3rd Oct 2011 7:19pm |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3150
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Exempt. Thats exactly the question I put to them, as I run a 110USW. Basic answer, if all four wheels are driven (or capable of being driven) it is exempt. Ford Transit or Mercedes Sprinter towing a trailer - make sure you have an O licence come December. 2011 110 USW 1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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3rd Oct 2011 7:59pm |
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| pom Member Since: 01 Jun 2010 Location: Worcester Posts: 1343 |
4 x 4 so exempt = yes taxed as a commercial = irrelevant they dont care i.e. van = not a van its a 'car derived van' which is different in law. Pom |
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3rd Oct 2011 8:26pm |
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| leeds Member Since: 28 Dec 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 8582
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So 4wd Transits towing trailer/generator will be exempt then?
Have seen some of our local utility companies use them in the past. There again the Utility companies probably already hold an O licence so it would be a paper exercise for them! What a minefield!! Brendan |
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3rd Oct 2011 8:28pm |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3150
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I would presume so as they are 4x4. And yes they will almost certainly already have an O licence anyway as they run lorries. 2011 110 USW 1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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3rd Oct 2011 8:31pm |
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| pom Member Since: 01 Jun 2010 Location: Worcester Posts: 1343 |
oh and what about speed limits then, if you have no glass in the rear of your 110 then take note you must drive 10mph slower than the standard speed limit for cars or you can get busted.
Only applies to commercials including car derived vans but there is an exception: "These are vans that are both derived from a car chassis and also have a maximum laden weight of no more than 2 tonnes" which unfortunately rules out all the discos, RR, 110's and fat 90's IF you don't have rear glass. So my advice put 2 bits of glass in the back quick and the the law will consider your vehicle much safer and allow you to drive the same limits as everyone else. You really couldn't make it up.. Pom |
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3rd Oct 2011 8:32pm |
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| pom Member Since: 01 Jun 2010 Location: Worcester Posts: 1343 |
Transits are exempt as well, its all based on weight. Below 3.5 tons and your golden. "If you are towing a trailer behind a vehicle that is around - or slightly below - 3.5 tonnes gross plated weight, eg Ford Transit or Mercedes Sprinter-sized vehicles you do not need an operator's licence provided that: the combined gross plated weights of drawing vehicle and trailer do not exceed 3.5 tonnes where there is no gross plated weight, the total unladen weights do not exceed 1,525 kilograms" |
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3rd Oct 2011 8:37pm |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3150
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Well actually ALL Defenders from 2010 onwards was it, are now N1 commercial anyway, so restrcited to lower speed limits, but you can still do 70 on a motorway so long as you aren't towing. i have never quite worked out how lorries are limited to 40 and 50...does that come in when over 7.5 Tonnes? I agree, a lot of these regs make very very little sense. 2011 110 USW 1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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3rd Oct 2011 8:39pm |
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| leeds Member Since: 28 Dec 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 8582
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Put two bits of glass in rear of vehicle, will it actually make any difference?
A 110 USW is classed as a commercial, N1 tax class. Surely you will have to get the taxation class altered to M1 to get the higher speed limits? That would surely mean paying higher RFT? Brendan |
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3rd Oct 2011 8:43pm |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3150
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Yes, correct so long as the train weight does not (actually I think its cannot) exceed 3500KG, once it does, its O licence time! Quetion still over a small van (say a Vito) towing a small trailer unladen, which would be below 3500KG, but the gross *could* be over 3500KG...I think you would still need one, according to the quote above. For a 3500Kg gross van (which is what most of them are) there will be almost no circumstances where they can tow without an O licence. It may be possible with the smaller transits, and such as the Vito, Connect etc, towing a very small trailer, but realistically, most of them will fall into O licence territorry as usually the train weight is well over 3500KG. 2011 110 USW 1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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3rd Oct 2011 8:45pm |
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