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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3753  
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Yes, all of the cars come with the basic TR system as standard kit, just you don’t have the option to configure it to your own desired settings. You also can spec the locking rear diff without the other capabilities and just have the ediff and the basic TR.
Even if you have the TR2 system you don’t have to use the pre-programmed terrain settings, just leave it in Comfort, engage low range, on air suspended cars raise the height to offroad height if you need to and engage Hill Descent Control on down slopes if you need that too. You can even drive it as a manual gearbox car by moving the selector to the left into “S” or Commandshift and manually sequentially shifting up and down the box. Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come 2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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16th Aug 2021 8:45am |
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| XplusYplusZ Member Since: 16 Aug 2021 Location: UK Posts: 484 |
Spot on, thanks Tim.
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16th Aug 2021 9:49am |
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| G&T Member Since: 13 Jul 2021 Location: Shropshire Posts: 38 
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I’ve been running through the off-road options and have found the coil suspension option does not allow you to select the ‘Advanced off-road pack. That means you can’t permanently lock the centre or rear diff.
The only option on coil is the standard off-road pack. That comes with the active electronic diff and torque vectoring via breaking. My question is, how much better is this electronic active diff feature over a standard AWD? For example, driving in sand is an AWD killer, so will the active diff option really work better or is the only way forward to lock the diffs? In that case you have to have air suspension to get it. |
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20th Aug 2021 8:56am |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3753
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IiRC you can permanently lock any of the diffs on the new Defender, they are electronic and lock and unlock as the terrain requires. My 110 has only the centre diff which is standard on all of the new Defenders, but I had the ediff on my last RRS and it would fully lock up on the road if the conditions required it to, it didn’t just work off-road when a TR program was selected or low range was selected. I have the configurable TR on my 110 but not the full Monty Off Road Pack and while I can have automatic or locked
I know someone with Centre and rear diffs so will ask. ** Edit - just had a reply and the ediff can also be set to permantly locked** Just checked my car and I can permanently lock the centre diff in the configuration so you can probably do it to the rear too as it shows “differentials” (in plural) on the screen  Click image to enlarge Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come 2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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20th Aug 2021 12:23pm |
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| G&T Member Since: 13 Jul 2021 Location: Shropshire Posts: 38
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That’s interesting Tim as I thought the Defender build configurator allows only Customisable e-diffs in the advanced off-road pack?
Open diffs - standard E-diffs + torque vectoring by braking - off-road pack Configurable diffs, ATPC, terrain response 2 - Advanced off-road pack. Glenn |
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20th Aug 2021 10:51pm |
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| Retroanaconda Member Since: 04 Jan 2012 Location: Scotland Posts: 2645 
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All Defenders have the locking centre. The locking rear is an option, it can be specified on its own or as part of the off road pack. The advanced off road pack is another option that can be specified independently (or enabled aftermarket for a fraction of the cost) and is what gives you the option to manually configure whatever diffs you have.
Mine is base-spec but I optioned the rear diff on its own, I didn’t want the silly 230v plug in the boot. |
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21st Aug 2021 8:06am |
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| G&T Member Since: 13 Jul 2021 Location: Shropshire Posts: 38
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Many thanks retroanaconda. That is a big help,
 I’ll have another look at the configurator. |
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21st Aug 2021 9:15am |
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| G&T Member Since: 13 Jul 2021 Location: Shropshire Posts: 38
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Nope, I can’t find just the rear ediff option without selecting advanced off-road pack configurable terrain response.
Perhaps this is something the dealer can do? Also can you expand on the possibility of adding the advanced off road pack later at a fraction of the cost? At the dealer or independent specialist? Thanks Glenn |
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21st Aug 2021 9:26am |
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| Hairy Dan Member Since: 25 Apr 2013 Location: NW Durham Posts: 1415 
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It may be because of the spec that you have chosen that it isn't available separately, some of the option combinations are weird, like if you want to spec the two rear tow hooks it says it is a £100 option, but if you tick it the price goes by £1250 because they are only available as part of the Bright Exterior Pack
This is what I see on my build, which is a 110 D200 SE the rear diff option is available by itself Click image to enlarge Also the option of adding the advanced off road pack later at a fraction of the cost, have a look at this webpage https://lr-retrofits.co.uk/l663-defender-1 This is an option as he has worked out how to switch the options on which a dealer can't do after you have bought it. This sort of thing has been possible for years with Discos and FFRR's, you could buy an IID tool and turn the options on yourself but on newer models the coding of the cars has changed and at the moment only Mo at LR Retrofits has worked out how to do it. Cheers Ian -------------------- 22MY Defender 110 D200 SE, Fuji White. Kielder 4x4 Safari Instagram @defender_v8 |
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21st Aug 2021 2:19pm |
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| G&T Member Since: 13 Jul 2021 Location: Shropshire Posts: 38
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Cheers Ian.
I’ll have another mess around with the configurator. Ahhhh found it. It is on the capability tab next to the pack options. Can I check if you have this e-diff option you can lock it though having bought just this option? Or is it only ‘active’ - automatic? Thanks for the link - that’s quite a price difference. 
Glenn |
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21st Aug 2021 5:49pm |
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| Hairy Dan Member Since: 25 Apr 2013 Location: NW Durham Posts: 1415
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I have specced the E diff on my build but unfortunately I don't get the car until October 1st
 I haven't specced the advanced off-road capability pack though, I may add it at a later date via LR Retrofits or wait until the IID Tool is available for the L663  Cheers Ian
-------------------- 22MY Defender 110 D200 SE, Fuji White. Kielder 4x4 Safari Instagram @defender_v8 |
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21st Aug 2021 8:40pm |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3753
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The ediff is not something that can be enabled after build, the hardware isn’t there so you have to modify the rear drive to add the mechanicals. Someone has done it but it was hugely expensive and there are questions about what adding one does for your warranty….. Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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21st Aug 2021 9:30pm |
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| G&T Member Since: 13 Jul 2021 Location: Shropshire Posts: 38
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Ian, I wonder if you’ll get electronic/software updates for that part of the system from LR if it was added as a retrofit? The mothership will know the spec of your car from the factory or LR upgrades I guess, but it won’t recognise anything else. Just a thought? |
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21st Aug 2021 11:01pm |
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| Hairy Dan Member Since: 25 Apr 2013 Location: NW Durham Posts: 1415
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I've had four Discos and a FFRR that were under warranty and I've 'switched stuff on' and it never caused a problem so I'm not worried about it, that is if I get it done
  Cheers Ian
-------------------- 22MY Defender 110 D200 SE, Fuji White. Kielder 4x4 Safari Instagram @defender_v8 |
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21st Aug 2021 11:15pm |
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