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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3150   
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Had a further phone call today from a transport management firm, they have looked into it and according to them anyone using any trailer for any use, where the gross combination weight exceeds 3500KG, will need an O licence, they even think they may be needed to run tractors on the road! It could also affect caravanners. I am not entirely in agreement with him, but he knows more than me, and I am not 100% sure what counts as use under a restricted O licence anyway, which I think it what would be needed for personal use.
I have to say Pom, these changes are coming if we like it or not, all we can do is live in the hope that some kind of sense will be seen when they realise just how many people will be caught up by this. I have a letter ready to go to my PM, that is David Cameron... The rule wasn't made up by reds, it has come from the EU, the intention is to harmonise EU and UK O licence regs so they match up. 2011 110 USW 1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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28th Sep 2011 4:40pm |
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| ken Member Since: 18 Aug 2009 Location: Banging Birds with my bitches !! Posts: 4328
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I really welcome these changes; the amount of cars I have delivered here on unsuitable combos is crazy. Even some dealers do it no tachographs fitted its madness. There are some really good indi guys out there as thou. The biggest catch out are the electric demo cars boy are some of them heavy especially the vans
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29th Sep 2011 6:11am |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3150
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Well thats my interpretation too, as I said, I am not fully in agreement with him, however I am not the one claiming to be a traffic law professional. I hope he has made a mistake, but I definitely think there will be a serious impact on the light haulage and farming industries, to name but two. 2011 110 USW 1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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29th Sep 2011 6:11am |
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| ken Member Since: 18 Aug 2009 Location: Banging Birds with my bitches !! Posts: 4328
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The problem is Im afraid 22900013A is that some small transport hauliers are not like you and perhaps dont do it properly and give the industry a bad rep. Like all things we all have to keep an eye on it
edited because it did not read right Last edited by ken on 29th Sep 2011 7:16am. Edited 1 time in total |
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29th Sep 2011 6:46am |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3150
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Yeah, I agree lots of them don't do it properly, no tacho, no drivers hours etc etc. I try my best to conform to all the regs, and would be open to pointers of where I have got it wrong. Trouble is, someone like me will shut down rather than operate illegally, whilst the illegals will just carry on taking the risk. How often do you see Transit/Sprinter beavertails with a 4x4 on the back - well overladen, yet its a common sight, even so, these guys will still not come under the new O licence requirements, and so we are all just reliant on VOSA or the police catching them. The other concern I have is that if I shut my business down I don't think I am entitled to JSA or other benfits whilst looking for a job, so how do I keep a roof over my head? 2011 110 USW 1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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29th Sep 2011 6:53am |
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| ken Member Since: 18 Aug 2009 Location: Banging Birds with my bitches !! Posts: 4328
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I fear you are right
Rock and a hard place |
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29th Sep 2011 7:17am |
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| noworries4x4 Member Since: 24 Dec 2010 Location: Newton Abbot Devon Posts: 1195 
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Piggy back your vehicle onto someone elses O licence, any one who has some capacity, our haulier would help he runs loads of other peoples trucks, ask Steve Hill near you he runs heavy haul and tippers he probably has some extra capacity, or Chris Hayter he runs so many he must have some redundant capacity If everything is under control you are not going fast enough.
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29th Sep 2011 9:25am |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3150
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Is that legal though? I thought you couldn't do that? Chris Hayters can be pretty much seen from where I live. I don't know Steve Hills though. 2011 110 USW 1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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29th Sep 2011 1:04pm |
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| pom Member Since: 01 Jun 2010 Location: Worcester Posts: 1343 |
I wouldn't worry about it, all car derived vans are exempt and that isn't going to change without a mega uproar. Can you imagine the crinkley tin tenters being told to pay 8k because they use a landy. It's in the realms oh fantasy as Mr Mainwaring would say. Pom |
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29th Sep 2011 1:48pm |
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| pom Member Since: 01 Jun 2010 Location: Worcester Posts: 1343 |
I just called VOSA to get their version and they said they have absolutely no plans to withdraw the exemption for dual purpose vehicles as it needs a statutory change which they are not empowered to do and it would be completely illogical (re tin tents).
Here is the legal definition of a 'Dual Purpose Vehicle' as written in the RTA 1999, you can see defender, disco or RR fall into this category by virtue of subclause 'i' below. dual-purpose vehicle a vehicle constructed or adapted for the carriage both of passengers and of goods or burden of any description, being a vehicle of which the unladen weight does not exceed 2040 kg, and which either— (i)is so constructed or adapted that the driving power of the engine is, or by the appropriate use of the controls of the vehicle can be, transmitted to all the wheels of the vehicle; or (ii)satisfies the following conditions as to construction, namely— (a)the vehicle must be permanently fitted with a rigid roof, with or without a sliding panel; (b)the area of the vehicle to the rear of the driver's seat must— (i)be permanently fitted with at least one row of transverse seats (fixed or folding) for two or more passengers and those seats must be properly sprung or cushioned and provided with upholstered back-rests, attached either to the seats or to a side or the floor of the vehicle; and (ii)be lit on each side and at the rear by a window or windows of glass or other transparent material having an area or aggregate area of not less than 1850 square centimetres on each side and not less than 770 square centimetres at the rear; and (c)the distance between the rearmost part of the steering wheel and the back-rests of the row of transverse seats satisfying the requirements specified in head (i) of sub-paragraph (b) (or, if there is more than one such row of seats, the distance between the rearmost part of the steering wheel and the back-rests of the rearmost such row) must, when the seats are ready for use, be not less than one-third of the distance between the rearmost part of the steering wheel and the rearmost part of the floor of the vehicle. |
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29th Sep 2011 3:07pm |
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| kingofthesparks Member Since: 06 Jan 2011 Location: Very close to Watford gap services , northants Posts: 987 
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Utility min kerb weight from landrover site 2050kg, looks like you will be trading it in for a 90 to comply
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29th Sep 2011 4:26pm |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3150
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Yes, probably. And would have to be a station wagon at that. Hmmm. 110 DC might just scrape in? 130 will be too heavy. I am ringing VOSA myself tomorrow to ask with specific reference to my vehicle, and towing in general, so will report back once I know what's happening. 2011 110 USW 1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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29th Sep 2011 5:39pm |
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| kingofthesparks Member Since: 06 Jan 2011 Location: Very close to Watford gap services , northants Posts: 987
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110 dc is 2030kg , but would be over if you had HD suspension
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29th Sep 2011 5:44pm |
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| pom Member Since: 01 Jun 2010 Location: Worcester Posts: 1343 |
how heavy it is is not everything.
for example disco commerical is classed as a van (car derived) so is lower speed limit. remove 2xplastic window blanks and all of a sudden its a car and has a higher limit. The law doest cover the disco or 110's as its written for dual use but it does imply it by wording 4x4 etc. I think you would be on safe ground. If it was me and my livelyhood depended on it I would get a solicitors written advice as the law stands now. Is there some trade body or union for truckers you can join ? Get on the disco forum and pm a chap called character he does exactly the same as you with a disco, he's done like 200k miles with his disco, and covered car trailer so you can bang the drum together. Pom |
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29th Sep 2011 5:50pm |
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