DEFENDER2.NET - View topic - Episode 9 Interior Design

↓ Advertise on Defender2 ↓

Home · FAQ · New Posts · My Posts · PMs · Search · Members · Map · Calendar · Profile · Donate · Register · Log In

Home > INEOS Grenadier > Episode 9 Interior Design

Page 7 of 11

3 ...

Print this entire topic ·

Bluest

Member Since: 23 Apr 2016
Location: Lancashire
Posts: 4206

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Java Black

When BMW first introduced that style of shifter, I was asked by someone to move an X5 in a hurry as it was blocking a road following an accident. Being a bit of a petrol head I confidently grabbed the keys legged it to the car, jumped in then could not for the life of me figure out how to get in drive. Push, pull tilt nothing. It eventually went into gear by accident, but no idea what combination of moves achieved it

At least I didn’t have to run back and ask how it worked

I should brush up b3fore I take test drive in the Grenadier. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS

9th Jul 2021 4:15pm

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS DCPU Keswick Green

#1784 wrote:
For professional users I'm not so sure the abundance of levers and knobs is an advantage. They want to be able to put their experts (in forestry, power distribution, telecom, survey etc) in a vehicle that will take them to their work location with the least amount of dedicated training and effort as possible. If the same capability (or better) can be achieved with automatically controlled difflocks for example that's always going to be preferred to reduce the stress and competence needed of the driver.

In this day and age, any company that is sending an employee out (as opposed to owner/operators) in either vehicle is going to send them on a training course first; so it's then a question of whether that individual remembers which sub menu, or series of button switches pushes it into "auto" mode, or they look up and flick the diff locks.

I know which ones I would want.

9th Jul 2021 4:22pm

milesr3

Member Since: 12 Feb 2013
Location: Suffolk
Posts: 873

2016 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Keswick Green

Been looking round the one they have on display at Goodwood. The interior, particularly the dash, is awful. It looks like an Amstrad stereo from the 80s.

There are lots of bits and bobs poking out underneath and some flimsy plastic trim, like the rear quarter panels. It doesn’t look the finished article to me.

The axles and chassis look serious quality.

9th Jul 2021 4:26pm

Intercept

Member Since: 27 Feb 2017
Location: Suffolk
Posts: 587

2002 Defender 110 Td5 Black LE Java Black

Bluest wrote:
When BMW first introduced that style of shifter, I was asked by someone to move an X5 in a hurry as it was blocking a road following an accident. Being a bit of a petrol head I confidently grabbed the keys legged it to the car, jumped in then could not for the life of me figure out how to get in drive. Push, pull tilt nothing. It eventually went into gear by accident, but no idea what combination of moves achieved it At least I didn’t have to run back and ask how it worked

I should brush up b3fore I take test drive in the Grenadier.

9th Jul 2021 4:27pm

#1784

Member Since: 11 Nov 2020
Location: Almunge
Posts: 45

Supacat wrote:
#1784 wrote:
For professional users I'm not so sure the abundance of levers and knobs is an advantage. They want to be able to put their experts (in forestry, power distribution, telecom, survey etc) in a vehicle that will take them to their work location with the least amount of dedicated training and effort as possible. If the same capability (or better) can be achieved with automatically controlled difflocks for example that's always going to be preferred to reduce the stress and competence needed of the driver.

In this day and age, any company that is sending an employee out (as opposed to owner/operators) in either vehicle is going to send them on a training course first; so it's then a question of whether that individual remembers which sub menu, or series of button switches pushes it into "auto" mode, or they look up and flick the diff locks.

I know which ones I would want.

If it's automatic it's automatic, no need to go into menus to activate, just like L663 center and rear diff, they lock up when required even in normal driving mode.
Not when someone remembers to push a switch or worse forget to unlock them and breaks an axle on tarmac.
I guess it's yet to be seen if Grenadiers diffs are old school hardwired lock/unlock from button/lever or if there is some computer assist involved to protect the driver/vehicle. 110 SE D200 MY21 Tasman blue
Discovery 3 V8 HSE MY06
Discovery 1 V8 ES MY97
RRC 2-door V8 MY83

9th Jul 2021 4:38pm

Philip

Member Since: 09 Mar 2018
Location: England
Posts: 510

Very surprised that, if as appears, the centre diff is open unless manually locked.

9th Jul 2021 4:49pm

Bluest

Member Since: 23 Apr 2016
Location: Lancashire
Posts: 4206

Intercept wrote:
Bluest wrote:
When BMW first introduced that style of shifter, I was asked by someone to move an X5 in a hurry as it was blocking a road following an accident. Being a bit of a petrol head I confidently grabbed the keys legged it to the car, jumped in then could not for the life of me figure out how to get in drive. Push, pull tilt nothing. It eventually went into gear by accident, but no idea what combination of moves achieved it At least I didn’t have to run back and ask how it worked

I should brush up b3fore I take test drive in the Grenadier.

I’ll look like a pro next time I use one 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS

9th Jul 2021 5:08pm

County V8

Member Since: 07 Jun 2021
Location: UK
Posts: 147

Is that BMW shifter a LHD one how do you push the button with your left thumb as you would if in a LHD car with your right thumb.

Will there be a RHD one or are all BMWs like that??

Just seen another shot answers that question

9th Jul 2021 5:14pm

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

#1784 wrote:
Supacat wrote:
#1784 wrote:
For professional users I'm not so sure the abundance of levers and knobs is an advantage. They want to be able to put their experts (in forestry, power distribution, telecom, survey etc) in a vehicle that will take them to their work location with the least amount of dedicated training and effort as possible. If the same capability (or better) can be achieved with automatically controlled difflocks for example that's always going to be preferred to reduce the stress and competence needed of the driver.

In this day and age, any company that is sending an employee out (as opposed to owner/operators) in either vehicle is going to send them on a training course first; so it's then a question of whether that individual remembers which sub menu, or series of button switches pushes it into "auto" mode, or they look up and flick the diff locks.

I know which ones I would want.

If it's automatic it's automatic, no need to go into menus to activate, just like L663 center and rear diff, they lock up when required even in normal driving mode.

I wonder how some people manage to get out of bed, washed, dressed and fed to go to work without having to press a few buttons...

L663 no longer has a centre diff, and I wonder what the take up rate on the optional rear E diff is?

9th Jul 2021 5:43pm

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

Philip wrote:
Very surprised that, if as appears, the centre diff is open unless manually locked.

Would that be more or less surprised than finding out the Bowler Wildcat chassis really wasn't made of aluminium...

9th Jul 2021 5:46pm

Philip

Member Since: 09 Mar 2018
Location: England
Posts: 510

Supacat wrote:

L663 no longer has a centre diff

Not this again…

9th Jul 2021 6:14pm

Philip

Member Since: 09 Mar 2018
Location: England
Posts: 510

Supacat wrote:

Would that be more or less surprised than finding out the Bowler Wildcat chassis really wasn't made of aluminium...

The new Bowler CSP chassis isn’t used in the Wildcat.

9th Jul 2021 6:25pm

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

So that's more surprised then...

9th Jul 2021 9:58pm

Avelingporter

Member Since: 25 Jan 2016
Location: Southampton
Posts: 405

2016 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 HT Corris Grey

I have one of those shifters in my auto box 3 Series BMW. Maybe a slightly biomorphic design that works with the curves in BMW interior design language that I agree does not match the rest of the Grenadier aesthetic. Morgan have the same problem in the Plus 6. But to use it is excellent and becomes intuitive very quickly.

10th Jul 2021 6:09am

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

Looking for reasons why it would be so expensive to replace and came across these posts on PistonHeads:

"Whilst trivially easy to replace with another CAN enabled lever of your own design, you "can't" because it's rated SAFETY CRITICAL on the FMEA.

This is because selecting drive or reverse on an auto causes the vehicle to move, which could crush someone against something or result in the vehicle moving un-expectidly and causing an accident. As a result, the gear level unit will use dual channel redundant CAN and is so incorporated into the powertrain safety matrix that BMW simply won't let you replace it, because that system as a whole has had an absolute fortune in money and tens of thousands of hours of validation done on it.

Basically, as per Morgan and everyone else, you use the entire powertrain as supplied or sod off. Those are your two choices......

"

and

"The FMEA includes the entire system chain, from lever to microswitch to microcontroller to CAN etc

You can't change the lever, or change the switches or anything without voiding the safety case, sorry!

(the FMEA includes things like the lever jamming, or the switches jamming, or being filled with spliied coffee, going past a radar transmitter at an airport, you name it, the FMEA and validation are, i can tell you, onerous and rigerous. Its a case of use it all, absolutely unchanged, or use none of it)".

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic....0&i=60

10th Jul 2021 7:19am

Page 7 of 11

3 ...

All times are GMT

Jump to

< Previous Topic | Next Topic >

Posting Rules

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum