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mattia.CH

Member Since: 29 Dec 2020
Location: Lausanne
Posts: 53

2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Keswick Green

sorry to resurrect a very old thread

my 2009 def got rejected at the MOT because the Comformity Certificate says that it had ABS, but the expert checked it and it says it was either never there or it was removed

i have the ABS sign on the fuel gage but it does not light up - is it an indication that the system was there?

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what else can i check?

21st Jun 2021 4:47pm

Angus_Beef

Member Since: 30 Apr 2015
Location: Oslo
Posts: 434

2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 SW Corris Grey

I’ve been through one MfK with mine when it hit the five year mark and I’m curious to how he would know? They did not put mine on rollers to check the brakes (bad for center diff) and instead did a driving brake check, but not to the point of lockup… Roaming around 🇳🇴🇨🇭

21st Jun 2021 4:56pm

mattia.CH

Member Since: 29 Dec 2020
Location: Lausanne
Posts: 53

here in CH they are not as considerate, the guy went up to 50k/h and slammed on the breaks. no modulation

21st Jun 2021 4:57pm

Angus_Beef

Member Since: 30 Apr 2015
Location: Oslo
Posts: 434

I’m in Switzerland also. Just sounds weird, I don’t think a defender will get into abs at 50kph… Roaming around 🇳🇴🇨🇭

21st Jun 2021 4:59pm

mattia.CH

Member Since: 29 Dec 2020
Location: Lausanne
Posts: 53

this was in Lausanne, they are notoriously picky
the first signal was the absence of the ABS light on the dash
then they looked around (no idea for what), then final test slamming on the breaks

i’m checking with LR to understand if the system was installed to begin with, but would also like to know if there are signs that such system might be installed and maybe not working

21st Jun 2021 5:17pm

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17374

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey

The instrument pack is standard on all TDCi Defenders and is not an indication of whether or not ABS is/was fitted. The easiest way to tell if it is fitted is to look for the ABS modulator under the bonnet, it is unmistakeable (do a google image search for "Defender ABS modulator" to see what it looks like). If you have one, you should have ABS. If you don't have one, it doesn't.

Other ways to tell: if you have ABS there are separate brake lines running the length of the chassis to the rear axle and two brake hoses from the chassis to the rear axle. If you don't have ABS there will be one brake line and one hose.

I cannot really see why anyone would remove the ABS, so it is more likely to be a mistake on the specification.

21st Jun 2021 5:22pm

mattia.CH

Member Since: 29 Dec 2020
Location: Lausanne
Posts: 53

thanks blackwolf

my biggest problem is right now that I'll be squashed between two unmovable entities: swiss bureaucracy ("the doc says there's an ABS, so there must be an ABS") and Land Rover ("we will not modify the certificate of conformity")

let's see what comes up

21st Jun 2021 6:43pm

AndyS

Member Since: 18 Aug 2012
Location: London
Posts: 595

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Sumatra Black

Is there a fuse or relay in the ABS slots under the driver's seat (in a RHD car)?

https://www.lrworkshop.com/electrics/defen...nd-headers

21st Jun 2021 8:56pm

mattia.CH

Member Since: 29 Dec 2020
Location: Lausanne
Posts: 53

thanks AndyS, I’ll check it out later as well as the presence of the modulator

22nd Jun 2021 5:40am

MadTom

Member Since: 10 Sep 2013
Location: Olomouc
Posts: 621

On TD5 Defender there is a big differece in brake servo - ABS version is much bigger than non-ABS. So look also on this. "Drobek" = The Small One - Discovery 2, "Blufínek" = The Blue Thing - Defender 130, and for me at least Ford Mondeo

22nd Jun 2021 7:03am

mattia.CH

Member Since: 29 Dec 2020
Location: Lausanne
Posts: 53

Alright I did some pics
Fuse box: I am comparing with this https://www.lrworkshop.com/electrics/defen...nd-headers
and I can't really conclude anything. I see fuses 19 and 16, can't see fuse 1.

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Under the bonnet: I don't see a modulator

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Lines under the chassis (probably not clear enough):

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22nd Jun 2021 8:51am

dorsetsmith

Member Since: 30 Oct 2011
Location: South West
Posts: 4554

ABS ECU will have been under driver seat too and wires and plug as part of wiring loom black- yellow and violet plugs

Check your land rover build spec with Topix

22nd Jun 2021 9:09am

mattia.CH

Member Since: 29 Dec 2020
Location: Lausanne
Posts: 53

I just heard back from LR: the ABS was never installed on my car, the conformity certificate was wrong.
Took 12 years for somebody to realise that, glad I am the one who figured it out /s

22nd Jun 2021 9:47am

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17374

Your photos clearly show a vehicle without ABS. The build spec sheet you have been given by Landrover is wrong!

22nd Jun 2021 10:22am

mattia.CH

Member Since: 29 Dec 2020
Location: Lausanne
Posts: 53

yes, they agreed that they messed it up.

22nd Jun 2021 10:29am

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