What puddle? wrote:

Diesel has been demonised for some time, and I can see why. A couple of years ago I passed some little kids on their way to school. A van pulled out of a side turning and covered them with smoke. It was unpleasant to see that.

Yes, we rely on diesel so much for all our goods, but it does have to go. The only time I switch my recirculating air on in my van is when I'm behind some smokey van (or Audi!) flooring it.

Never mind, diesel, we could be looking at teh end of the internal combustion engine altogether. This yesterday...

"In light of the electrification push by automakers and the restrictions that will be imposed by certain countries like the UK, the future of the internal combustion engine was already in doubt. Now, however, there are fears that Euro 7 emissions legislation could kill it off as early as 2026. Euro 7 laws will come into force in 2025 and the proposals from the European Commission’s Consortium for Ultra Low Vehicle Emissions (Clove) of engineering consultants could spell the end of engines as we know them, including those in hybrid vehicles, says the European Automobile Manufacturers Association (ACEA). The ACEA believes that the emission limit scenarios presented by Clove, coupled with the suggested new testing conditions, would in practice result in a situation very similar to a ban of vehicles powered by an internal combustion engine, including hybrid electric vehicles,” the automakers association says. The Euro 7 proposal could force petrol ICE vehicles to be fitted with a heated electric catalyst, two 1.0-liter conventional three-way catalysts, a 2.0-liter particulate filter, and an ammonia slip catalyst. What’s more, it has also been proposed that ICE vehicles could be fitted with an on-board diagnostics system that would monitor the engine to ensure it remains in compliance with emissions regulations for 150,000 miles. The ACEA believes that such devices would be close to impossible to use in small cars and hard to integrate into current vehicle architectures, and would result in ICE-powered cars becoming more expensive, Autocar reports. Technical solutions designed to meet, or intended to meet, the proposed extremely low limit values for NOx, combined with very stringent limitations of NO2 and NH3 [ammonia], will be very costly and massively complicated,” added the ACEA when discussing the idea of using ‘super’ catalysts. “To drive the technology requirements to this point will severely limit the possibilities for CO2 and fuel consumption reduction and have significant uncertainties on durability and operating costs over the vehicle lifetime.”

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My take on the demonisation of the internal combustion engine.

Supacat wrote:

Stealing more of the ground JLR used to own... can't help comparing it to the Katie Price special edition:

Land Rover didn't build that one, they refused to KP had to get it 'modified' elsewhere.

Land Rover never had "body work" to equal Katie's  1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai

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This forum isn't a place to start that argument, I know, but it would be great if people knew more about the issue. It most certainly isn't clear cut!!!

Simon Audi wrote:

Now all the people will complain - about that poor dogs joints suffering for jumping in and out without a ramp.... what have you done...

I'm hoping this one doesn't have to jump from there...


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