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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3150   
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Can anyone explain why the GVW on a 130 hcpu or double cab was only 3380KG, but the single cab was 3500KG, especially considering you could get a 3500KG version of the 110?
Any ideas? 2011 110 USW 1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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23rd May 2021 5:31pm |
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| Smyles_ Member Since: 25 Aug 2018 Location: Copenhagen Posts: 517 
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The GVW of my 110 DCPU was 3050 kg, whilst the GVW of my 130 is 3500 kg Stuart
Cummins 130 Build Thread 58 130 Double Cab HCPU - Cairns Blue 04 110 Double Cab - Black (gone) 07 Audi RS4 Avant - Silver |
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24th May 2021 10:19am |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3150
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Smyles, what spec of 130 is it?
Most 110s were 3050kg but you could update to 3500kg on all models but the station wagon. Dsc-off, I did consider that, but I can't see why the body spec would impact the gvw, surely the axle weights are the same? It's as if the crew cab was downrated for some reason. I can't think of any mechanical or engineering reason, so I'm wondering if it was a legal issue? Bit then how could the 110 dcpu be available as a 3500kg variant but not the 130? It's very odd as you end up with a longer/bigger vehicle but with a much reduced payload, as the payload would already be lower as the unladen weight is greater. 2011 110 USW 1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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24th May 2021 1:57pm |
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| jimbo55 Member Since: 15 Jul 2020 Location: Midlands Posts: 399
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Is the gvw an issue on your build? Have you considered up plating to 3500kg?
Just about to start up plating my 90 and it seems that it’s relatively easy to increase to the sum of the max axle weights or 3500kg which ever is lowest |
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24th May 2021 2:03pm |
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| Smyles_ Member Since: 25 Aug 2018 Location: Copenhagen Posts: 517
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But my 130 is rated to 3500 kg. It is a basic 130 dcpu that had the heavy duty chassis from factory with additional welded plates on the middle section of the chassis. Click image to enlarge As for the reasoning, you have a large induced moment greatest between the axle attachment points which, effectively act as a pinned (free to rotate/not moment resisting) supports. The longer the "member" (in this case chassis) the larger the induced moment will be in the centre as it is a function of length.
Rust related iirc, but still entertaining to look at  Stuart
Cummins 130 Build Thread 58 130 Double Cab HCPU - Cairns Blue 04 110 Double Cab - Black (gone) 07 Audi RS4 Avant - Silver |
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24th May 2021 2:25pm |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3150
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I think my question is being misunderstood.
Essentially what I'm asking is, considering the guts of the vehicle are the same, why is the single cab version of the 130 rated at 3500Kg GVW, but the double cab pick up and double-cab chassis are only rated at 3380KG GVW? They are otherwise identical vehicles? The issue of greater flex/pressure on the longer wheelbase makes sense of course, but how would a double cab or dcpu exert any more force than a single cab, surely any variant should have been able to cope with a 3500KG GVW? I had thought all versions of the 130 were 3500KG GVW. I was surprised to find that wasn't the case. I got my figures from the 2.4 Tdci brochure, there doesn't appear to have been an option to upgrade to 3500KG GVW like on a 110. Just seems very strange to me as the 130 was supposedly the true workhorse of the range. Smyles, what year is your 130? My understanding is that they were generally built from cut and extended 110 chassis, so your centre reinforcement isn't surprising to me. I take it your GVW is from the VIN plate? It just seems odd that they presumably could (and at some point did) offer dcpu at 3500KG but then down-rated them to a lower GVW than the HD 110. Just doesn't make sense to me. 2011 110 USW 1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" Last edited by 22900013A on 24th May 2021 5:30pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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24th May 2021 5:25pm |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3150
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The question came up after a discussion with a friend about his works 130, and how they couldn't understand why it had a 3380KG GVW. I'm not building anything and I don't own a 130, its more out of my curiosity as to why Land Rover would do something which seems pretty illogical. 2011 110 USW 1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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24th May 2021 5:27pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17433 
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The early 127s - those built on the SVO line - were cut and stretched, and I think that their V5s still listed them as 110s. As far as I know by the time they were listed as 130s they were all built on purpose-built chassis and were not stretched. It is possible that this makes a difference to their GVW.
In addition there are certainly some which have reinforced chassis, a change implemented I believe after cherry-pickers started breaking in two. Again it is possible that the GVW depends on whether the vehicle has a reinforced chassis or not. I suppose that it is possible that the double cab was built on a standard chassis and the single cab on a reinforced chassis, and this accounts for the difference, but this is speculation. on my part. Given that Smyles's 130 has a reinforced chassis and a GVW of 3500kg, it seems a plausible theory to me. The 110 double-cab was specifically designed to have a 1000kg payload in order to qualify for some kind of BIK benefit, as I remember. |
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24th May 2021 5:57pm |
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| Smyles_ Member Since: 25 Aug 2018 Location: Copenhagen Posts: 517
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I see what you mean now.
It's a 58 plate ex SSE dcpu, got the value from the V5C - don't have access to the truck at the moment (noticed the increase in GVM myself when comparing the two V5Cs to each other). When you refer to the single cab 130 do you mean the one LR produced that was basically a rolling chassis with cab? (poop image but you get the idea)
Wonder if they were produced on the HD chassis as standard as they knew it would only ever go to utility companies and the likes. But yeah, does seem strange that they just wouldn't give them all 3500 GVM  Stuart
Cummins 130 Build Thread 58 130 Double Cab HCPU - Cairns Blue 04 110 Double Cab - Black (gone) 07 Audi RS4 Avant - Silver |
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24th May 2021 6:00pm |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3150
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My old works 130 (61 plate, single cab with box body) was a cut and shut job with an extension piece in the middle. Considering the small volumes of 130 built it would be crazy to have two different chassis going down the line.
The double cabs were also common with utilities, I've seen plenty over the years. Just seems crazy that I could have had my 110 USW at 3500 GVW but not an equivalent 130. And yes by single cab chassis I mean exactly as in the photos - that's how my works one would have been before it got a box on. This is it after disposal. Click image to enlarge 2011 110 USW 1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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24th May 2021 6:09pm |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3150
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Here is a double cab in utility use, I wonder if it was a 3380 or a 3500, or if anyone even knew?
Click image to enlarge 2011 110 USW 1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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24th May 2021 6:12pm |
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| Smyles_ Member Since: 25 Aug 2018 Location: Copenhagen Posts: 517
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I know that all SSE 130s had the HD chassis, can't speak for others though. Stuart
Cummins 130 Build Thread 58 130 Double Cab HCPU - Cairns Blue 04 110 Double Cab - Black (gone) 07 Audi RS4 Avant - Silver |
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24th May 2021 6:14pm |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3150
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According to my brochure all 130s were heavy duty, but still the double cabs had the lower GVW. There was no "standard duty" 130 if that makes sense. 2011 110 USW
1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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24th May 2021 6:31pm |
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| Oldrover24 Member Since: 25 Nov 2019 Location: Manchester Posts: 10 
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My 2010 registered 130 double cab is rated at 3500kg GVW and also has the heavy duty chassis.
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24th May 2021 9:40pm |
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