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| SN Member Since: 29 Jun 2007 Location: SK6 Posts: 729  |
I would suggest peeling off the latest string of posts on "its not an old defender replacement" and shoving them in a Battleground thread (or better just deleting them) so this thread can revert back to what it was, just a general New Defender thread Steve N | 21MY Defender  | 08MY Discovery 3 (history) | 06MY Discovery 3 (ancient history) |
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9th Mar 2021 11:05pm |
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or not.| zilch Member Since: 11 Sep 2019 Location: Whitsundays & Sydney Posts: 819 
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 hope the mud slinging has finished.. jeez  yet another pommie bar steward down under
MY20 110 P400 SE Defender MY10 3.0 RR Sport |
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9th Mar 2021 11:14pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018  
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Why do people always want to delete the opinions of others they disagree with ~ especially as they have engaged fully and posted multiple times in the section they now want deleting? Can anyone remember what was discussed on page 27, 127 or 227 of this thread? If you want the conversion to move, then try posting stuff others want to read and reply to and steer the conversation where you want it to go. Others will follow if it interests them to do so, or not if it doesn't. It's a Forum not the new Defender branch of the National Congress of the Chinese Communist Party. Let's not get into a cancel culture. |
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10th Mar 2021 7:19am |
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| Digger2000 Member Since: 19 Sep 2020 Location: Newcastle Posts: 590 
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https://fb.watch/4b4AnP4u3s/
90 looking quite capable off road |
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12th Mar 2021 12:07pm |
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| SN Member Since: 29 Jun 2007 Location: SK6 Posts: 729 |
Quote the right bit - the main suggestion was lifting the poisoness section away from this otherwise useful thread. I'm not going to be goaded into reopening this. It is NOT relevant to the subject, go into Off Topic if you want to discuss Wokeness/Cancel Culture/Offending ... Steve N | 21MY Defender | 08MY Discovery 3 (history) | 06MY Discovery 3 (ancient history) |
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12th Mar 2021 1:57pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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You post was quoted in FULL...
I'm not looking to goad you to do anything, but as you are entitled to express your opinion, or not as the case may be, then so are others... that was actually my point. |
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12th Mar 2021 2:11pm |
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| Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2638  
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Indeed, like a mountain goat, up it went --
2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear 2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged
Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9 Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ |
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12th Mar 2021 2:15pm |
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| Digger2000 Member Since: 19 Sep 2020 Location: Newcastle Posts: 590
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14th Mar 2021 4:25pm |
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| Fat Cog Member Since: 19 Mar 2012 Location: Oxfordshire & Devon Posts: 502 
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This forum used to be such a happy 'kindred soul' sort of place, however, since the new Defender was launched it (the forum) has an angry tenor which is all rather distasteful.
So please, lets leave the anger & arrogance to the Audi brigade... Since 1973...S1, Air Portable's, Defender's, but only my Wolf TUL HS GS remains Last edited by Fat Cog on 14th Mar 2021 10:52pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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14th Mar 2021 6:14pm |
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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4667 
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I have gone from a turbo diesel 90 in 1990 to my current Puma and I am very happy with the Puma. The latest Defender is not on my wish list then neither is a Range Rover. Each to their own. I check in on the section for the new Defender just to see what is going on and how the new vehicle is settling in. Everyone has different tastes and the forum has enough sections for everybody.
There have been comments made that the Defender could not continue in the traditional mode as it was up to the Puma and JLR took a different route. To make the point about how the older version had reached the end of the road when it reached the Puma stage some posters refer to it as uncomfortable, noisey leaks etc. I do not agree. I find the Puma comfortable, quiet and relaxing to drive, especially on long journeys. I don't have any leaks either. So I don't agree with those arguments but I don't moan about those making them. It is all subjective. I don't find the driving condition cramped or uncomfortable either as some have said they find it. Each to their own. The arguments about crash safety and impact absorbtion technology that the new Defender possesses cannot be denied and I accept that my vehicle does not meet the same standard in this regard as the current Defender but I accept that. I still have a 110 200 tdi which I still drive and a series 111 2.25 diesel. I accept these for what they are and am happy with them. Indeed the tdi was the family car from 1996 until 2008 when the Puma was bought. I thought the Puma made ggreat strides in refinement and comfort over the 200 tdi but I suppose it is all relative. I wish any one who has a new Defender the same enjoyment as I get out of mine. I thought that with investment Land Rover could have continued on with the Puma but it was not to be. I do not loose sleep over it and if I meet a new Defender on the road I will wave. Live and let live. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel 1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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14th Mar 2021 7:50pm |
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| Digger2000 Member Since: 19 Sep 2020 Location: Newcastle Posts: 590
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I joined this forum for advice on the new Defender and also to contribute to the group in any way I could. I did not join to argue. Most people have been great so far and some have been very helpful. I don’t know a lot about mechanics, off roading or anything really about the history of Land Rovers even though I had two puma engine 90 hard tops I just like the defender and my dad was a Range Rover driver all his life. I have seen a few members constantly calling the new Defender on the new Defender section of the group, In my opinion that’s going to cause arguments.
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14th Mar 2021 9:03pm |
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| dontwakemeup Member Since: 28 Feb 2021 Location: Oz Posts: 55
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I agree with Digger.
I'm not sure what emotion all these people who don't actually own the new defender nor are interested in buying what are trying to convey. This is a forum for those who are interested in the vehicle. This isn't a debate about the merits of the vehicle. Imagine if we went onto the Puma forum ranting about how that vehicle is unsafe and built like a farm tractor ad nauseum. You'd be sick of it. Can't we just agree to disagree and just discuss the vehicle at hand. |
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15th Mar 2021 10:16am |
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| SN Member Since: 29 Jun 2007 Location: SK6 Posts: 729 |
^^^^ both good posts. Steve N | 21MY Defender
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15th Mar 2021 11:16am |
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| Muddybigdog Member Since: 11 Apr 2014 Location: Suffolk Posts: 1018 
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We all see the same image, but some will see a young girl some will see an old witch, neither side is right or wrong, both sides have valid options.
Whatever image you see, as long as opinions are amicable, healthy debates are interesting and engaging, closing down amicable difference of opinions, soon becomes a nanny state. Jumped ship to reliability - Mitsubishi L200 Puma 90 XS - Sold D3 - 2.7 S x2 (both Sold) Freelander 2 HSE - Sold Freelander 1 - Sold Disco 2 - Sold |
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15th Mar 2021 12:03pm |
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