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| grafty99 Member Since: 15 Aug 2012 Location: North Devon Posts: 4785   
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As this forum has a huge knowledge base, I'd be very grateful to pick the brains of people in the know regarding domestic built in AC.
I'm currently in the process of building my own apartment in the roof space of our barn (leaving the workshop below with direct access for landrover tinkering of course!) The place will be very well insulated but I'm still worried about the heat in the summer - being a very large black roof it's going to absorb a lot of heat in the sun. For this reason I am considering (have my heart set on) AC for the 2 bedrooms. I don't feel the need to lock myself into an air-conditioned building in the summer but on a hot, muggy night it will be a god send to sleep in a cool and comfortable bedroom. I've seen online you can get a simple split compressor/condenser unit with 2, wall mounted evaporator/fan units for well under £1000. This seems very reasonable but I imagine won't be the best built, most reliable unit in the world. Can anyone recommend a good unit that will be reliable and well built? Or perhaps brands/companies to avoid? Thanks in advance  2002 90 Td5 Station Wagon
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4th Feb 2021 11:24pm |
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| JOW240725 Member Since: 04 May 2015 Location: Suffolk Posts: 7905 
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Environmentally, I strongly disagree with aircon in domestic properties. If well insulated it shouldn't get too hot. James
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5th Feb 2021 7:06am |
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| LR90XS2011 Member Since: 05 Apr 2011 Location: bickenhill Posts: 3641 
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Have you considered SPVs (solar powered vents) they are basically automatic working when you need them, cheap and environmentally friendly, some of the better ones include a battery so will work overnight DEFENDER 90 TDCI XS,
I hope everyone is well and your land rovers make you happy |
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5th Feb 2021 7:14am |
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| grafty99 Member Since: 15 Aug 2012 Location: North Devon Posts: 4785
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I have considered the environmental impact of AC, including the risk of leaking gasses and obviously the heat being released into the environment when the AC is running.
The system I have been looking at is A++ rated 4.2KW at full chat (split across both rooms) so power consumption and heat dissipation for a single room would be less than a fan heater. The system isn't going to be cooling the entire building, infact it will only be primarily used in one bedroom. Efficiency wise it will be better than a portable unit too. On the long summer nights when I'm working until gone 11 and up again at 6 to be back at work it would make long term cumulative fatigue over the summer season much less of a problem as I won't be laying in bed too hot for hours. As for the fact its a domestic property, its going to have a far, far lower impact on the environment than a commercial office block with massive AC towers on the roof..... 2002 90 Td5 Station Wagon 1990 Vogue SE Triumph Tiger Explorer 1200 Td5 90 Thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic50767.html Tdi 110 Thread https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic69562.html RRC Thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic54492.html Instagram http://www.instagram.com/george_grafton |
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5th Feb 2021 7:29am |
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| grafty99 Member Since: 15 Aug 2012 Location: North Devon Posts: 4785
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I have looked into the various different options, including mechanical ventilation. The build will be getting a PV solar storage solution with 22kwh battery storage. The problem with roof ventilation in the bedroom will be noise, not necessarily in the summer but in winter when we regularly get 80 mph winds and above coming in straight from the sea. Even in my parents house with a 3M+ run from the standard bathroom extractor fan to the outside wall of the house you can hear the wind howling through the fan through most of the house if it's blowing much over 50mph which in the winter is very often. 2002 90 Td5 Station Wagon 1990 Vogue SE Triumph Tiger Explorer 1200 Td5 90 Thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic50767.html Tdi 110 Thread https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic69562.html RRC Thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic54492.html Instagram http://www.instagram.com/george_grafton |
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5th Feb 2021 7:35am |
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| Huttopia Member Since: 23 Feb 2016 Location: West Midlands Posts: 1972
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I’ve sent you a pm. 👍
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5th Feb 2021 8:27am |
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| grafty99 Member Since: 15 Aug 2012 Location: North Devon Posts: 4785
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Probably not because of fire regulations etc. 2002 90 Td5 Station Wagon 1990 Vogue SE Triumph Tiger Explorer 1200 Td5 90 Thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic50767.html Tdi 110 Thread https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic69562.html RRC Thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic54492.html Instagram http://www.instagram.com/george_grafton |
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5th Feb 2021 9:05am |
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| excossack Member Since: 22 Feb 2012 Location: North West Posts: 5843 
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Yea good point. 1999 Defender TD5 110
Regards John M0VAZ Econet Station 48 no clock |
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5th Feb 2021 9:13am |
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| JOW240725 Member Since: 04 May 2015 Location: Suffolk Posts: 7905
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Sorry, seems I woke up grumpy this morning. Aircon is just a pet hate of mine and I agree commercial spaces are so much worse. I used to work next to company called Eco Cooling who use old school evaporative cooling as a natural, cost effective and environmentally friendly alternative to traditional air conditioning in large scale warehousing. I wonder if you can find an old evaporative cooler from a combine and fashion it into use? I have fond childhood memories of evaporative cooling in an old combine, everytime you went over a bump you'd get a shower of water, very cooling!
Sounds a great project! I've always fancied living above a garage space. Often said my perfect house would be a Dutch barn conversion. Would love to see some photos James
MY2012 110 2.2TDCi XS SW Orkney Grey - http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic43410.html MY1990 110 200TDi SW beautifully faded Portofino Red - https://www.defender2.net/forum/post743641.html#743641 MY1984 90 V8 Slate Grey - https://www.defender2.net/forum/post744557.html#744557 Instagram @suffolk_rovers |
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5th Feb 2021 9:26am |
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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11324
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Evaporative cooling - Legionella's friend
 Darren
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5th Feb 2021 9:48am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17373 
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I suggested to Grafty that he should consider fitting a fireman's pole to allow quicker access from the living accommodation to the projects area!  |
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5th Feb 2021 11:05am |
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| grafty99 Member Since: 15 Aug 2012 Location: North Devon Posts: 4785
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This has indeed beed discussed. We (my other half) haven't come to a decision yet
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1990 Vogue SE Triumph Tiger Explorer 1200 Td5 90 Thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic50767.html Tdi 110 Thread https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic69562.html RRC Thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic54492.html Instagram http://www.instagram.com/george_grafton |
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5th Feb 2021 12:24pm |
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| AJC Member Since: 30 Nov 2015 Location: Lancashire Posts: 1361
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When i built my workshop, it was my intentions to build an 'apartment' on the mezzanine, before i got round to doing it i had stripped 2 cars for restoration and filled the mezzanine with car parts.
The mezzanine is still full of car parts now some 15 years later, i keep finding parts i never knew i had. |
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5th Feb 2021 2:31pm |
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| grafty99 Member Since: 15 Aug 2012 Location: North Devon Posts: 4785
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The barn I'm converting was never intended to be lived in, so luckily the floor and therefore stuff has never accumulated too badly. When all is said and don't it'll be approximately 100 square metres of living accommodation with 2 bedrooms, a bathroom and an open plan kitchen/lounge. Downstairs will be the entrance which will be a boot room come utility.
The whole place will be underfloor heated with a zone per room, each individually thermostatically controlled. 14 triple glazed velux windows are going in, 8 in the lounge and kitchen, 3 in the master bedroom, 2 in the bathroom and 1 in the spare room so there should be plenty of light, with views towards Lundy and the south coast of Wales. At the moment there isn't much to show as the floor isn't in yet (starting on the 10th of February. I'll update with pictures as I have them. 2002 90 Td5 Station Wagon 1990 Vogue SE Triumph Tiger Explorer 1200 Td5 90 Thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic50767.html Tdi 110 Thread https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic69562.html RRC Thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic54492.html Instagram http://www.instagram.com/george_grafton |
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5th Feb 2021 3:12pm |
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