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Supacat



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I think there are those that will argue that the meat industry is one of the least sustainable industries out there - other opinions may co-exist...
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That may be true but it won't be changed by avoiding leather seats. Darren

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Supacat



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Well someone thinks there's still plenty of value in the industry:

"World Record: Wilodge heifer makes 250,000gns at Carlisle


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A world record-breaking 250,000gns joint bid topped the Wilodge and Brockhurst Limousin herd sales at Carlisle on Friday (29 January).

The trade topper was the maiden heifer Wilodge Poshspice from Christine Williams and Paul Tippets, Shifnal, Shropshire. She set a new world breed record.

This smashes the 125,000gns heifer record set by Glenrock Illusion at Carlisle, when Foxhill Farms bought from the Illingworths, Dumfries, in 2014."

https://www.fwi.co.uk/livestock/world-reco...t-carlisle
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All that money will not make any better mince ....... because that is what it will end up as eventually. Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
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blackwolf



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The article refers to it as a heifer, which I think would then make veterinary history if it turned out to be a sperm donor! Shocked

It must be said that the photo doesn't immediately look very heifer-ish though. Perhaps it is a good thing that the animals I work with aren't of the bovine variety.

Edit: Tim, you edited your post as I was writing mine, which has the effect of making mine look very irrelevant! For the benefit of the puzzled, Tim's post mentioned originally mentioned sperm. Rolling with laughter
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SN



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Supacat wrote:
I think there are those that will argue that the meat industry is one of the least sustainable industries out there - other opinions may co-exist...

And those people are talking out of their arse quite frankly! All this crap about meat production and methane and global warming, people are looking entirely in the wrong place to fix it. Yes we may eventually get rid of ICE cars, but consumption of meat is an entirely natural and human thing to do, no question. Exponential population growth is at the root-cause all of this. That elephant in the room that no-one will face head-on! Evil or Very Mad Steve N | 21MY Defender | 08MY Discovery 3 (history) | 06MY Discovery 3 (ancient history)
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blackwolf



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SN wrote:
...Exponential population growth is at the root-cause all of this. That elephant in the room that no-one will face head-on!



Nail.....head.
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Ditto exponential population growth!!!
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SN wrote:
Supacat wrote:
I think there are those that will argue that the meat industry is one of the least sustainable industries out there - other opinions may co-exist...

And those people are talking out of their arse quite frankly! All this crap about meat production and methane and global warming, people are looking entirely in the wrong place to fix it. Yes we may eventually get rid of ICE cars, but consumption of meat is an entirely natural and human thing to do, no question. Exponential population growth is at the root-cause all of this. That elephant in the room that no-one will face head-on! Evil or Very Mad


Eating meat is a natural thing for us but intensive meat farming on an industrial scale is hugely problematic for both humans and the planet. Deforestation, water consumption, lack of biodiversity, disease, as well as Co2. The science is indisputable. WARNING.
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SN



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^^^ as is population explosion. I know exactly where the axe needs to fall because THAT is what is driving all the negative things you mention. Also the associated desperate need from the great unwashed to have every last thing as cheap as possible needs to be tackled - in my mind, people should pay a fair price for a fair product, and people should accept that if you can't afford something, you can't have it.

There is far far more to this than just the simplistic consumption of meat impact. No-one, and I mean no-one will ever stop me eating it, that is for certain. Steve N | 21MY Defender | 08MY Discovery 3 (history) | 06MY Discovery 3 (ancient history)
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Supacat



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SN wrote:
people should pay a fair price for a fair product


I guess you haven't looked at the wage rates for Nitra then?
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labbix wrote:
I had heated and cooled seats on my D5 and that worked really well, no complaints at all. I had expected a bit more from the massage function, but even that one was nice!


I agree, heated and cooled seats work better than expected on my D5. I was sceptical on the cooling option but on a trip to the south of France ( when we were allowed) they proved to be very good. almost too cold if run too long Smile

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Zed



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SN wrote:
^^^ as is population explosion. I know exactly where the axe needs to fall because THAT is what is driving all the negative things you mention. Also the associated desperate need from the great unwashed to have every last thing as cheap as possible needs to be tackled - in my mind, people should pay a fair price for a fair product, and people should accept that if you can't afford something, you can't have it.

There is far far more to this than just the simplistic consumption of meat impact. No-one, and I mean no-one will ever stop me eating it, that is for certain.


I agree with most of what you say but I'm confused as who told you not to eat meat? It seems like you are prepared to pay a bit more and obviously appreciate your meat, so presumably you choose decent quality/welfare standards and probably British if not local; which whether you are aware or not is a sustainable and environmentally friendly choice. Thumbs Up WARNING.
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